Rouhani warns: ‘War with Iran is the mother of all wars’

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  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    The problem is that you don't know all the things we have to show:) Including lots of things that still reminds us and shows us our history. We are even okay in the technology fields; even if none of these companies would be permitted to invest in Iran regardless of whether they they wanted to or not! Although, frankly, I prefer that Iran have its own companies and investors anyway. Thanks to sanctions, actually, many of our technology companies and start ups are doing quite fine.
     
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    I don't want to get too side tracked, but since the subject was brought up, this piece might help understand a few things not just about the technology sector in Iran, but how sanctions have both a negative as well as a positive side to them.

    http://iebd.eu/technology/189-sprin...ps-booming-in-iran-despite-u-s-sanctions.html
    Spring Of Startups In Iran Technology Startups Booming In Iran Despite U.S. Sanctions

    This is a rather long piece which you can read for yourself, mainly because there are simply too many technology companies of all sorts popping up in Iran every day. Iranian ones, that is.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is this "banned" under your name Margot2?
     
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    It is so, that the occupying power bears the responsibility of the safety of the people.
    And so, the Americans are responsible for the 100.000's of people who died.
    The blood is on their hands. None of your gibberish changes the Geneva Conventions.
     
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    I don't know.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, so many fallacies: where do I even begin? How about right here (highlighted):

    Israel is the ONLY nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language and worships the same G*d that it did 3,000 years ago.

    You bet this, Mr. Persian? :D
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Happy to hear the Iranian people are doing well, and hope their health and happiness continues.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How did the American people become responsible for Muslims killing other Muslims? Don't Muslims share some responsibility for their behavior?
     
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    In the way I described in my previous post. It seems you never bothered to look up what the responsibilities are of an occupying power according to the GC, while it is online to found. I assume you know google.
     
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    Don't you know? America is responsible for everything. I queried a Chinese national about the
    Hague's declaration on Chinese island building in the Sth China Sea. I was informed it was all
    an American plot - though America didn't appear to have anything to do with the commission.

    Same with the Palestinian-Israel issue. And the Ukraine issues (even the downing of that
    MH17 civil aircraft.)

    America was probably responsible for world events before Columbus.
     
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    But, of course, you are. After all, we all know how busy and inventive the Americans have been trying to make us happy!
     
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    Misses the point again, but all the same: that is a neat and interesting formulation. I have no problems with it, even if the oldest continuous civilization is that of China and Iran is one of those on top of the list. But going to the point I was making:

    Obviously, if someone asked someone else to show them "Israel" on a map a 100 years ago, they wouldn't be able to do so. And that wouldn't be merely because of the kind of ignorance that one could expect from those in the almighty America you seem to worship next to Israel. There was no such thing as an Israel in 1919, nor was there any such thing in 1819, or 1719, or 1619, or 1519. The last time anyone called the place you call Israel now by that name was: well, lets just say, it was a very long time ago:) Even 2,500 years ago, when the Persians ruled there, we didn't call it Israel!

    And after such a long absence, when you are returning to a place your very ancient ancestors may have called home, but which you had lost control of for almost the entire duration of recorded history, and which your ancestors (save a few) had deserted for such a long time, a decent respect to the customs and traditions of those who in the meantime were living there, and those who were to become your neighbors, would have required that you make your entrance differently: with a lot less noise, without bringing with you so many foreign elements, and above all, without trying to call everyone around you such nasty names!!

    You did it the way you did it; we can't argue over spilled milk. But if you really intend to make this your home, and aren't here just as a foreign colony which has to eventually leave, you have a lot of people you need to make up with. A lot of people you need to learn to befriend. Otherwise, this won't be your home and you won't be a real part of this place. Instead, just as you are described, you will be seen as a colonial outpost which will eventually be gone.
     
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    How about you try to make yourself happy first? That be a start!
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonders never cease! Pretty soon you may catch America or Israel in numbers or techno startups... right?
     
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    Come on. About decent, I do not know but Trump came as an underdog and wiped all the other republican candidates.
    Then he won the general election taking out a peson who was around the power for the last 30 years. This is not some stupid.
    He not only won the game, but he changed the field while doing so and the others were powerless to stop him.
    Actually, they did not have the brains to understand he is changing the field while playing them. This is why so many voters from the other side fail still to recognize he won.
    I'd say he is rather briliant.
     
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    Iran is 10 times the population of Israel.
    They could be startup material, but their leaders wants them ignorant and powerless.
    They could do some great things for the world, but they are buzy burning Americans flags.
    They have the largest factory of American flags in the world, so they have ample supply of them to burn.
     
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    Well the Ayatollah didn't seem able to do the trick. He doesn't seem like a fun guy.
     
  18. Iranian Monitor

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    When you are boxing, and notice your opponent is just flailing away, hitting air, maybe its best to sometimes let him flail away!
     
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    Sad day for America when they don't know the difference.
     
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    They are certainly up with you, possibly better in their ability to undertake cyberwar.
     
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    I'm not so sure.
    When I see rapists going into woman prisons just because they say "I'm a woman", when I see man Athletes winning woman competition just because, when I see the court forbids a pool to require the swimmers wear something,
    when I see people dragged to court and put to jail over some idiotic remark they made with a couple of friends, (and the list goes on and on)...
    Maybe a little backlash is just what the doctor ordered.
     
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    And then you lose by default.
     
  23. Iranian Monitor

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    In that case, let me do my own flailing too!

    The tech-sector in Iran, as I mentioned, is doing fine and we had a boom in start-up companies to boot. The picture in other sectors of the Iranian economy is mixed. Let me start with one of the sectors that, besides the general financial sanctions which complicate trade with Iran, was also targeted by specific sanctions. Namely, Iran's steel industry.

    https://www.apnews.com/a899db23968e4c4f833b1b8a12793542
    US sanctions to hit Iran’s metals industry, a major employer

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    Since the US sanctions were imposed, steel exports by Iran have indeed experienced a significant decline. Even so, Iran remains one of the world's top 10-15 largest producers of steel, as exports aren't the only game in town. Much of Iran's steel production has a domestic market to cater to as well. Indeed, the latest figures for the quarter that just ended show Iranian steel production up by around 10% despite the drag from lower exports!

    https://steelguru.com/steel/iran-steel-exports-down-by-12/546422
    Iran Steel Exports Down by 12%

    https://financialtribune.com/articles/domestic-economy/99210/irans-steel-output-rises-to-11m-tons
    Iran's Steel Output Rises to 11m Tons
    .....
    see also:
    Iran, 10th biggest crude steel producer in 2018: worldsteel

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    TEHRAN, Jan. 26 (MNA) – According to a recent report by World Steel Association, Iran has pushed aside Italy, Taiwan and Ukraine to become the 10th biggest producer of crude steel in the world for the year 2018.
     
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    China has been around for 3000 years - they don't have an official state religion but they meet all the other criteria. What does worshiping the same God have to do with any thing - and to be honest - it is a stretch to claim that Israel worships the same God as they did 3000 years ago.
     
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    The industry that (besides Iran's oil industry exports) has suffered the most due to US sanctions is Iran's corruption mired automobile industry. Here, the success of US sanctions might, in the long run, actually help propel the kind of needed reforms and house-cleaning that has allowed Iran's largest employer to continue with its very inefficient and corrupt practices.

    The report below from "Radio Farda" is from the Iranian branch of the US-government funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, which will be expected to highlight the adverse effects of US sanctions to show the Trump administration "winning". But, in the short run, they are right: this sector in Iran has suffered a hit.

    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-s-car-production-halved-hit-by-u-s-sanctions/29936169.html
    Iran's Car Production Halved, Hit By U.S. Sanctions

    p.s.
    The chart below shows the ebbs and flows of Iran's automobile production in recent years. You will notice that at the height of the Obama era US sanctions, Iran's automobile production was lower than it is today after Trump's sanctions.
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