White nationalism is NOT white supremacism.

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  1. AFM

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    That’s what they do.
     
  2. Polydectes

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    I'm assuming you are an American we grew up in the same culture

    You are more like him than you'd like to admit. You are engaged in tribalism.

    Neither here not there.



    Seems you more like sabo in that regard. I don't circle with racists.



    Hispanic is a culture. Let's look at the human rights and upward mobility in countries where Hispanic culture is dominate? Hispanic people view our culture as Superior that's why they come here. That isn't derision or hostility. That's just rejection of PC stupidity.

    Don't attribute to malice things you don't understand.

    Idiotic drivel.
    More drivel.



    I don't know, I guess the president doesn't do anything.
     
  3. Concord

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    "American" isn't a culture.

    I don't know what you mean.

    No, it matters. You're just pretending it doesn't. If you really think that your political opinions are divorced from your identity, you're delusional.

    Oh that may well be.

    I love my people, warts and all.

    LOL!

    No, it isn't. You seem to draw some arbitrarily large zones that you call "cultures." "American." "Hispanic." These two cultural groups are extremely diverse.

    No. Calling them a "problem" to be "solved" clearly is.

    Sorry, you showed your cards a bit too early.

    There's nothing he can do aside from ethnically cleanse American citizens.
     
  4. Polydectes

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    The American culture is.


    Ignorance is bliss.


    My opinions aren't political. They're based on what is right and wrong. Bliss indeed.




    I must just be lucky.



    LOL!

    So let's look at all the great advances in culture from areas that are predominantly Hispanic.



    Putting words in my mouth, nice.


    It's funny how you were suggesting I was racist and the only solution you can come up with is extermination. Seems like you were projecting.
     
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    No it isn't, and never has been. The settlement of our nation happened in waves and in distinct geographic regions. The result was a handful of large cultural groups making up our nation. "North" and "South" can be used as a shorthand, but even these two categories mask more complexity.

    Why, for example, New York city for so long was part of the southern political coalition, while West Virginia split off from the rest of the state, or why east and west Tennessee fought one another over the matter of secession, are questions that point to a richer story than that which we're typically told.

    Ignorance is painful, so enlighten me. What "tribalism" am I partaking in? I might or might not agree, I don't know.

    Your political opinions definitely are.

    Maybe. Maybe, for example, your family is college educated. Maybe you're upper-middle class from the suburbs. Or, maybe you're blind to it. Or, maybe you're not, and don't care.

    Hmm, could this suggest some kind of derision to someone who didn't know better?

    I didn't have to, buddy. You said that a certain demographic was a "problem" to be "solved."

    I know it's not the only reaction I can come up with to the demographic fact we're facing because it's not the one I favor.

    But if you view the demographic fact itself as problematic, I don't know how else you would solve it. That's why you're not answering the question I asked at the very beginning of this conversation: What could Donald Trump do to "solve" this "problem?"

    EDIT: Also want to point out that "ethnic cleansing" and "extermination" aren't the same thing. Prohibitive immigration policy, for example, could be called "ethnic hygiene."
     
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    Every other country in the world exercises prohibitive immigration policy.

    The American culture is absolutely real and is based on the promise of the Declaration of Independence. Read some Alexis de Tocqueville.
     
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    Oh absolutely. The Europeans, for example, are some of the best practitioners of "ethnic hygiene." It's a grand old tradition going back to the Spanish Inquisition through the Holocaust through today.

    No, it isn't. New York City would be as alien to me as Manchester, Sydney, or Toronto.

    EDIT: Actually, probably even more alien. NYC is a strange beast.
     
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    Bull ****.


    If you can't see it you are immune to enlightenment. Wallow in your ignorance. I will not waste my time trying to teach a pig to sing.



    I don't have any political opinions




    Or you are just trying to pigeon hole people.



    It probably suggests whatever you want it to suggest to suit your narrative. It's called poor rhetoric.



    [ didn'QUOTE]It have to, buddy. You said that a certain demographic was a "problem" to be "solved."[/QUOTE] That's a lie.



    You can fabricate whatever straw man fallacies you want. I'm not interested in defending them.

    I never said a demographic was a problem.
     
  9. Polydectes

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    People that don't like American culture pretend it doesn't exist.
     
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    Sorry buddy, but you can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Hispanics are from a certain culture and can therefore be expected to differ from non-Hispanic Americans in some way, while also claiming that you float outside of history and political culture.

    Now, is identity determinative? No, it's more complicated than that. There are rich San Fran boys who go right, and there are Llano Estacado rednecks like myself who go left. But for you to claim, living in Houston, that racism is alien to your daily experience, requires one of three things:

    1: You're blind to it. I've been there.
    2: You're lying.
    3: You run in certain social circles where discussing race is gauche. This would, by necessity, also include possibility 1, since even American leftists are swimming in racism.
     
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    lol, "don't like American culture."

    Your ability to glean insight from text is lacking.
     
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    You don't even think it exists.
     
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    So all you have is accusations?

    How very compelling
     
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    Right, in the same sense that I don't think the Indo-European language exists. One cannot point to someone speaking the Indo-European language.

    American culture is an amalgamation of disparate regional subcultures. The Llano Estacado and Harlem are different worlds.

    But I think it would be foolish, for example, to pretend that cultures run up to and stop at borders. How does one differentiate between "American" and "Canadian" culture? I would argue, instead, that the United States and Canada are two different entities composed of some of the same regional subcultures.

    We Americans tend to over-identify with our state. But someone from Alberta is more like me than someone from Massachussets, in a lot of ways.
     
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    No accusations, just my Ironclad Rule of Three.
     
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    What is American culture?
     
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    Yes accusations. That's all you have.
     
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    It's Hollywood, George Strait, Tupac Shakur, Harvard or Yale, football, NASCAR, Seattle coffee shops, Santa Fe art museums, little churches with white steeples, Yellowstone, the Vegas Strip, Mormonism, the Nation of Islam, on and on.

    Now, no doubt all these things I named probably brought to your mind a different regional subculture as I mentioned them. That was the point. How my grandfather and a Yankee interpret the history of our nation, how they relate to that history, and how they interpret our founding documents differ strongly.
     
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    But why would one have an opinion that our country should have an ideal race quota?
     
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    Yes cultures can be divided into subcultures thank you Captain obvious for something that was completely unnecessary.

    Was that your entire point?
     
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    I am definitely not for red flag law. You cannot take away someone's right to own a gun in the word of a non-lrofessional. In other words, a psychiatrist in private practice who doesn't work for State of Federal Gov must first evaluate the person and then a second opinion should be obtained. If taken to trial, there should be no court costs at all. Because in my opinion most people cannot afford to defend themselves. And anyone could report to the po!ice, hence a red flag.

    I fear this gives Government too much power and that usually results in overstep by the Gov and loss of our rights.

    I am all for StAtes requiring a gun license PRIOR to being allowed to purchase a gun. Prior to issuing it the State must do a through background check. Ifapproved, the person must show it when purchasing a gun from anyone or any business.
     
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    You're welcome to present data if you have it.
     
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    What you are promoting is total dependence on china for the manufacturing profucts America needs

    That is unacceptable
     
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    Which European countries are currently practicing ethnic hygiene ??

    Read some de Tocqueville. He saw the American culture decades ago.
     
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    Why not have that opinion ??
     
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