Aksyonov accuses the USA of organizing water blockade of Crimea.

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  1. Tofiks

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    You are saying, that deputy of Russian Parlament - Jevgenij Fjodirov is lying?

     
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    You can listen to the crazy homeless bum from the streets of Los Angeles, but that does not mean that he is telling the truth. Old people throughout the country, not only Moscow, use public transport for free. They can refuse this opportunity and get paid for it.
     
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    This man is not a crazy homeless but deputy of Parlament from the ruling party for many years. People vote for him, not as in case of Aksjonov, who, as a traitor and a colorant, was put in charge by the Russian occupying forces in Crimeria.
     
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    Didn't occupation of Crimea ultimately created greater peace? What is the problem?
     
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    Once people voted for Boris Yeltsin. You are from Ukraine, if so then you can not answer. Our conversation in this case becomes meaningless.
     
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    Occupying parts of sovereign country are the problem. Greater peace? Where it created greater peace, greater comparing with what?
     
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    It's peaceful in Crimea, no? Sometimes it's okay to occupy parts of sovereign country as long as it ultimately creates greater peace.
     
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    Just because I look with irony at Aksjonovs fairy tales about American water blockade of Crimeria, I am from Ukraine? Or because I know Russian I'm from Ukraine? Isn't Russian forbidden in Ukraine and people who even thinks in Russian are not put into concentration camps?
    Boris also told that free ride for older people in Moscow was banned by Obama or that evil Americans do not give water to Crimeria?
     
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    So it's ok if someone will occupy part of Your country just because he think, that it will create "greater peace"? Or its true only according to other countries?
     
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    Maidan was planned by the US from the times of Soviet Union collapse and maybe a little bit earlier. Once all that bloody mess started I heard the argument which couldn't be born anywhere else but the US - 'with the war in Crimea and Donbass the people there will not participate in voting and we will never have pro-russian politicians in Ukraine'. This way of thinking is exactly the one of modern US. So even if mr. Maccein and ms Nuland have never been on Maidan and never installed presidents and prime ministers to their liking, if there was no hysteria in media about 'russian aggresssion', if Ukraine never performed really dangerous tests with westinghouse nuclear fuel and never claimed for years that they urgently need to become a NATO member etc, which makes american plan of Maidan a fact, this only idea would make it vivid for me.

    Another comment is to wrong address. This propaganda will be not understood by american and european consumers. Their propaganda world is planned in a different department which is located on a different floor by different people. They don't care about Crimea. At all. Even less than about Ukraine anyway.

    Thirdly, I have to admit that blocking soviet water canal which used to delivering of water to peninsula is useless from the point of Ukraine if it was an independent state. When you need to unite with someone - you try to do the good to them. If you turn your back on someone - you close the way back for him. The only sensible action is the increase of russian costs. Russia needed to remake a considerable part of crimean economy. This certainly had some success but some problems remain. Especially in the east of Crimea. Agriculture really adapted. No more rice. But plenty of cereals. This was easy. Tourism is also boosting having enough of drinking water. But some industries and loss of the most income making crops is certainly a problem.

    I see the US plan as to sell Ukraine back to Russia trying to increase its cost to Kremlin. This is why noone is really 'protecting' this country and noone plans military bases in its territory. This is why Ukraine is a mess and disorder. The expences for Ukraine are planned to be put this or another way on Kremlin. Which is a utopia and will certainly add to existing US debt.

    Last point. I don't blame 'the US' of everything going wrong in Russia. Lots of things and absolute most of things get wrong because of ourselves. But there certainly is a negative influence from the US, which I couldn't believe in for a very long time. It certainly doesn't come from regular people. The people of the US with all their peculiarities are good people. I like them. It is not their fault of what is happening for their tax money in other countries. They are actually the first victim of those who are leading the world not to the good but to a different understanding of the 'good' concept. In my opinion this very direction is leading to the same side as the ideas of Lenin and Marx.
     
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    It's only true where it creates peace. It created peace in the Krim. It did not create peace in Irak or Vietnam or Syria or Afghanistan.
     
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    Before occupation there where war in Crimeria?
    So You will support the occupation of part of Your country, of the occupier will declare, that it will create "greater peace"?
     
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    There was not peace.
    If it creates peace maybe yes. If it only declares peace maybe no.
     
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    What do you mean by the word "peace"?


    Hope you will have a chance to support those who want to grab pieces of your country.
     
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    You know what it means.
    It is the U.S. that wants to grab pieces of your country, not me.
     
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    My question was, what do YOU mean with the word "peace"?

    Really? But you said that grabbing peaces from other countries its ok. So you should support US.
     
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    It was you who talked about "grabbing pieces of other countries". The U.S. is grabbing the Ukraine. Russia created peace there. I support Russian creating peace in the Krim. I do not support the U.S. grabbing the Ukraine.
     
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    "US is bad because US is bad and Russia is good because Russia is good"... very "strong" position :) And you can't even explain what are you understand with the word "peace"
     
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    Are you working for the pro-American SBU and spreading disinformation about Krim and Russia?
     
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    Of course, everyone whose thoughts are not the same as yours, works in SBU or US State department.
     
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    You think "Russia is bad because Russia is always bad" so don't tell me what my thoughts are. You can keep Kjev and Tjernobyl but Krim belongs to Russia and you cannot deny it. Give Lviv back to Poland and Zakarpattia to Slovensko.

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    In this case Russia is bad because Russia in time, when Ukraine was weak, foully put a knife in Ukraines back, occupied part of its territory and organize war on another part where thousands of people died. I understand that for a big part of Russian citizens its normal and even good thing, but for many other peoples such crimes is not a normal thing.And here we can see the mindset of many Russians - they are dreaming of partition of the country of their neighbors which they once called brothers.
     
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    KRIM BELONGS TO RUSSIA.
     
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    Just because somebody stole something does not mean that this thing belongs to him
     
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