Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

https://biblehub.com/matthew/20-28.htm

Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,

At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up.

All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws.

Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better.

All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges.

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you?

Regards
DL

 

You realize that when you tell others what they must believe you are creating a straw man. Your logic from that point forward is fatally flawed.

 

So you claim, without showing the flaw.

You win this debate buddy. Now go away and learn how to write an argument.

Regards
DL

 

Your whole argument was telling others what they must believe in order to believe in God. I didn't think I needed to cite your straw man because it was all right there in your OP.

Deflecting from your flaws doesn't make them disappear. Sorry.

 

G-d is doing a whole lot more for us than we are doing for G-d!

http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html

We should make a sincere effort to accomplish something for our creator... by doing something positive for others..... or at least for animals that obviously have a soul as well.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/with-pets.html
Near-Death Experiences with Pets
By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

 

And your unfounded claim means nothing if you are going to keep your little secret on what you are talking about, fool.

I have no time for your gassings game. You win this one, which is all you care about.

Regards
DL

 

You should stop lying and show the source of your stupid claim.

Regards
DL

 

The universe is a panopticon and God is a Benthamite.

 

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/with-pets/jan-price.html

 

Dennis.
Your mind is in a near death experience as it loses it's function.

Regards
DL

 

So you really don't know what your strawman was? You're worse off than I thought..

 

seems you are incapable of articulating what his stawman was, so perhaps he's not as worse off as you might think.

 

You read him right and that is why he writes, but not on the issue.

A straw man to him is likely anything that he does not want to talk about.

Deflection, hypocrisy and lies are a staple of all the religious with supernatural gods.

They go hand in glove and that is why it is so easy to use the bible against them.

This song says it all.



Regards
DL

 

Isn’t that exactly what all. Religions do?

 

These are the straw men. Do not tell me what I think. Tell me what you think..

 

Actually I told him what his straw men were. You don't know what they were, I guess, because you didn't bother to read the thread.

 

Actually, they tell their congregants that they should believe in certain precepts. There is a difference between this and what Jonsa and Greatest I Am say that all Christians MUST believe in order to be Christian.

 

Which statement?

Faith closes the mind.
It is pure idol worship.
Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic,
cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

That is a lot of straw.

Which pin burst your bubble and use a poor description of true statements.

Regards
DL

 

For your edification.



Regards
DL

 

Not sure why you would claim to be basing an argument on reason and logic, and then start by citing a bible verse. But I must point out that you suspiciously cut off the rest of the sentence, "and to give his life as a ransom for many" The crucifixion was the "service", and it was a one-time deal that doesn't back up any claim of general servitude.

As for the rest, it's just a conflation of rules and laws with "God". Reason and logic do not support such conflation. A logical case could be made that the laws contained in the bible are meant to serve people. But as you say, those are rules written by men. And those rules are not "God" by any definition other than the one you are making up right now.

 

So as to engage believers. Their book of plagiarized wisdom and myths says we should ask others to come and reason and I see nothing wrong with quoting Christians their own beliefs and words.
What do you see gauche in that?

Too easily made redundant to the main issues.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. Not break it. Need I get them for you?

An eye for an I is close to justice. Learn the laws Jesus taught for gods sake.

A service to who? It can only be one man. Likely his best and most loyal. Judas.

As to general servitude. Do you know how many literalists are waiting to wash in Jesus' real blood?

There are many such barbaric and degenerate Christians.

Mind you, Jesus has a lot of time and can make as many doubles as he likes.

Can't, forget the miracles eh?

Yes. They are all analogues.

Your first is opinion and garbage to me. I will not bother with an argument since you did not either.

Your last is correct.

Moses came down the hill wish enough laws and he quickly started breaking them.

They were not good commandments. Quite vile to thinkers in fact.

That is why the best name for God is Secular.

How would you tell the difference in a law as to if it was written by a god or by a person?

If, for instance, we might find a written law that says or infers that it is good to use genocide now and then, would a god or a man write such a law?

Regards
DL

 

Your flippant trolling has become tiresome. You are long overdue for an ignore.

 

Thanks for showing your ability, or lack of, to think.

Regards
DL

 

No, logic and reason says the opposite.

Reason leads us to believe in a sentient Absolute Truth because it is unreasonable to assume that sentience is based has proceeded from something that is insentient.

This leads to the logical conclusion that the sentient parts are meant to serve the sentient whole.

There you go.