How would you reform America's gun laws?

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How would you reform America's gun laws?

  1. 1. BATF/mental health checks and compulsory licence to be carried

    14 vote(s)
    45.2%
  2. 2. Ban miliatry style weapons

    11 vote(s)
    35.5%
  3. 3. Waiting period for purchasing all guns

    10 vote(s)
    32.3%
  4. 4. All guns tagged and forensically tested

    8 vote(s)
    25.8%
  5. 5. Mandatory gun safes

    8 vote(s)
    25.8%
  6. 6. Compulsory safety classes

    13 vote(s)
    41.9%
  7. 7. Limit gun numbers and avoid straw purchases

    10 vote(s)
    32.3%
  8. 8. Other?

    16 vote(s)
    51.6%
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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Stop being silly. The sharpest ceramic bladed knife known cannot kill 15 people in as many seconds even in the hands of a child like an Armalite can. These kind of idiotic "arguments" should embarrass even you people but you keep on trotting them out.

    And that's something I wonder. It is known that there are whole armies of children equipped with AK's in Africa. Even toddlers can be effective soldiers since these guns require practically no skill to operate and even less strength. What will be the NRA's argument once the first 6 year old massacres 15 or 20 people? Will we hear that the children now all have a right to be armed just like Dad?
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Melt em down first
     
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    Why?
     
  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    So you do just want to punish the law-abiding. If someone steals my car, my insurance is not responsible for what the thief does with my car. If he runs down a crowd of people killing 100 of them, I'm not responsible. I believe in being responsible for my own actions, not for the actions of something I own.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a threat, and just reinforces my point. You just want to go after law-abiding gun owners, and not the criminals who willfully kill people out of malice and greed.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not a threat, a promise, I want to make us all safe. I think you have an inherently dangerous hobby and are unwilling or unable to do the things that would make us all safe from its dangers so the government has to step in.

    Of course the law "goes after" the law abiding. ALL laws do that. If you obey the law you allowed to live your life. If you don't you are removed from society
     
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    Go back to the Constitution and the Founders' intent, meaning abolish most of the infringements we already have. If you want 'reform' get an amendment...
     
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    Again, you are not even attempting to address the criminal misuse of guns. Your emphasis is on normal citizens who don't commit crime. The sad thing is you don't even have an inkling of how silly that is. My hobby hurts no one. I've never had a gun stolen. Nobody has every been hurt by my guns. But you still want to punish me. Laws should be intended to punish those that directly take away other people's lives, health or property, not to punish ownership of an item.
     
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  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    There already ARE laws that punish those that do bad things. We pursue them, catch them and put them in jail, but the punishment of malefactors is not the only, or even the major purpose of laws in general. Laws make society what it is and, yes, the majority are directed at the law-abiding not the criminal. We are already after the criminal but now we are trying to PREVENT crime.
     
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    It's totally crazy to aim laws at people who do their best to obey the law. All you do is make them suspicious of the law, and it does nothing to PREVENT CRIME. Harassing me out of owning a gun (which is your basic goal) does nothing to stop criminals from having guns. All it does is attempt to disarm a law-abiding person due to your irrational hatred of guns.
     
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    Being a physicist, I've been playing with an idea for some time that makes this all moot. I've been working on this for about a year. It should be possible to make a device that will cause any ammunition within a given distance to ignite. So anyone carrying ammunition would have it going off in their gun or on their person when they don't expect it. Mount these all around the cities in strategic locations. Problem solved. If you take your guns out of your house, you could end up dead or seriously injured. And good luck getting home with any ammo purchased.
     
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    A very good idea.
    Would there be a device to shield the ammo belonging to LEOs?
     
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    Probably not. The problem is already about as difficult as you can make it. Hard to imagine something that would offer even more protection for the gun powder.

    See what happens when you [they] attack academics. ;) And we have only just begun.
     
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    Ayuh,..... Typical progressive approach,....

    Create a cure 100 times worse than the original problem,.....
     
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    That's about the stupidest idea I've read on this site outside of the Conspiracy area. That said, it would be a great way for a terrorist to use to trigger an IED.
     
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    Does sound pretty rad. Maybe we could have 'signature guns' as James Bond has?
     
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    Require registration, national background checks for violent convictions, and require that a weapon on a person be openly displayed while in public.
     
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    We should have iron-clad laws that provide harsh punishment for all "criminals and crazies" who possess or attempt to purchase and own firearms! I'm talking about MANDATORY prison sentences and 'zero-tolerance'. Harsh, no-bullshit punishment is the only thing that people will pay attention to!

    I support the idea of EXHAUSTIVE background checks, no matter how long they take, professionally conducted by the BATF.

    But, NO limits on magazine capacities, number of weapons that can be owned, etc., etc. I do fully support the 2nd Amendment -- but NOT for "criminals and crazies"!
     
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    Wouldn't that just flood the police with 9/11 calls?
     
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    What are the figures on spree killers who legally owned guns? How many had previous criminal/mental health records?
     
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    Not if it is required by law. I am not worried about the guns people have showing on their waste. It is the guy that hides it in his pants that is way more likely to shoot you. Also those calls happen because people have stopped seeing weapons as often as they use too. To people that are around them all the time a firearm holds little fear.
     
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    How would you reform America's gun laws?

    Other - None of the above. I would reform America's culture that seems to motivate some people to misuse guns.
     
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    Remove all laws regulating firearms.
     
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    1. Sure, but only if required for the other 9 amendments in the BoR.
    2. We have no military weapons on the streets
    3. Only works if you don't have at least one gun
    4. We could put GPS trackers in knives too like in the UK. I'm sure it would be impossible to remove such a "tracker" right
    5. Police inspections of every house
    6. Criminals aren't accidentally shooting people
    7. Oh look, leftists DO understand the concept of borders when it suits them
     
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    T-Bone endorses State Farm.

    Bloodbath likes Geico.
     

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