Gaze Upon Me Gun Control Proponents, and DESPAIR!

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Reality, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...VykSYn-1c_UZCYb7-EYieY3AJ5ew2F4LbbJ_6i-izsmJY




    https://gunstreamer.com/watch/menendez-mag-release-trailer_dOfOLdEWrl4OR7d.html

    https://spee.ch/@Deterrence-Dispensed:2/ShoppingListfora9x19mmbarrel

    The above links demonstrate why gun control cannot succeed. Rifling barrels has always been the most difficult part of a home firearm manufacturing process.
    But for a $200 3d printer ubiquitously available, $100 in simple materials most of which can actually be scavenged, and a bit of time and minor effort, you can set up a barrel blank manufacturing process. Sourcing pipe at a hardware store is likewise easy.

    You can make mags the same way.

    The youtube clip demonstrates the little 9mm pistol with not a stock that you can shoulder ;) they made just as a **** you. Made in a home, quietly.

    You can't stop the signal. You can't put genie back in the bottle. You can't refill Pandora's box once it's been opened. Etc.

    You trying: 1) creates a black market, which always increases crime; 2) engenders disrespect for the law because its so easy to circumvent. See above; 3) disarms the law abiding while leaving criminals and scofflaws armed.
     
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    28 views no takers eh? why-are-you-booing-me-im-right.png
     
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    same thing applies to the war on drugs yet.....
     
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    You can sign me on to ending that too.
     
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    The matter has truly been lost. Especially if there is no effort to prohibit access to 3d printers.
     
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    Basic google search

    All it takes is a basic google search

    http://theconversation.com/3d-printed-guns-may-be-more-dangerous-to-their-users-than-targets-103724
     
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    Hi bowerbird. You use the 3d printer in this case to make tools to assist in using the salt water and electricity method also mentioned to shape metal. The plastic is used to create shims to attach electrodes (copper wire) to, so the reaction can cut the metal.
    You're not making a plastic barrel.

    Additionally: That is the liberator they're talking about, an old design with old tech.

    You should follow the links.

    Still further: Making a receiver out of freely available metal isn't hard either. 80% receivers are everywhere as well, aren't tracked because they're not firearms, and only require you to drill a single hole.


    Honestly, follow the links or leave the discussion.
     
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    Then I can go back to using a shear and a brake and a few files.

    Think MAC-10's.
     
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    Guns are not complicated. Any amateur machinist can make one with ease. The problem with going after dangerous people is that is is complicated and labor intensive. It is much easier to go after law abiding citizens. It may not reduce violence, but its easy and gives a warm feeling.
     
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    Or Stens ;)
     
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    Not as difficult to build as one might think, particularly if you decide not to rifle the barrel. Hell, the Brits dropped thousands of plans all over AXIS occupied territories during WWII. Once you understand they are mechanically similar to slam fire zip guns, building a stem variant, isn’t all that difficult.
    BTW, lots You Tube videos on building DIY guns. Interesting in the context here, check You Tube’s videos on the black market production of guns in the Philippines or Pakistan.
     
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    Drill instructor told us that using an unrifled barrel is very effective for short range combat, but very inhumane. The exit wound is 300X the area of the entry wound.
     
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    This thread needs some Phillip Lutey, Brit patriot, he was hated by the Crown. Many designs
    Open bolt, submachine gun. Have a welder, a grinder, a drill and some files and a blatant disreguard for the law? Plenty do.

    The Home Gunsmith

    https://thehomegunsmith.com

    A Threat to Freedom of Speech in England by Philip A. Luty ... Locked up just before Open Heart Surgery for Downloading Mr Luty's eBook by Clifford Rutley.
    Gun Barrels · ‎9mm Machine Pistol · ‎12g Pistol · ‎Video
     
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    That's pretty accurate. Even rifled barrels lobbing soft lead Minie Balls were horrific weapons that caused horrible injuries. It's been said that even with modern medicine getting hit with a tumbling minie ball would likely still result in amputation. You REALLY don't want to get shot with a musket...Cartridges and jacketed rounds made warfare more humane, if there even is such a thing.
     
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    I shoot .44 cap n ball. I also cast my own lead ball. The bore is rifled so even lead ball flies true. I made an experimental ball. I drilled a 4mm hole about as deep and sawed an 'X' with a jewelers saw, down thru the hole, about half way thru the ball. Been meaning to test fire into some phone books. Should make a great talon round. Ball cast from pure, soft lead.
     
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    I once saw a homemade piece test fire, it fired a .30 gr .22 projectile down a 3 inch smoothbore, overbore. Bullet would instantly keyhole, at point blank range, it penetrated a brand new 2X4 and a thick paperback novel, using a #4 .22 nail gun blank for the charge. Amazing penetration. The velocity must have been incredible.
     
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    I'd be curious to see how that turns out. From what you are describing it basically sounds like you are trying to make soft lead hollow point .44 balls.

    That just sounds....ouch.
     
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    Me too, if I could ever find the time to hit the woods. You know that pure, soft lead would spread out real nice. Pure soft lead is the lead of choice for muzzle loaders. Most lead you find is semi hardened being alloyed with small amounts of tin and / or antimony. You can scratch the real deal with a fingernail.
     
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    Paper is one thing; penetration and terminal tests are another.
    Some rounds sound good on paper, but actual performance is another. Think back to the promises of Glasser Saftety ammo, segmented bullets, etc.
    For me, I prefer as predictable performance as possible and follow the bullet placement doctrine.
     
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    Lead works well in some applications. But, when considering game such bear...
     

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