Trump renews threat to end ' rediculous' birthright citizenship

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  1. rahl

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    And citizenship in the US
     
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    Yes, but the conversation is about the children of illegal immigrants.
    What if illegal immigrant does not just leave after giving birth. Should that child, that has never done anything wrong, be denied vaccinations and compulsory education? Should our system punish innocent child?
    Now, let’s imagine birthright citizenship is over. So, we will be having ever increasing population of kids that are not vaccinated and are not literate. Give it 20 years and we will have a major crime problem and a major disease epidemic problem. Would it be worth it?
     
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    You did not understand that I was not talking about illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are not immigrants so neither they nor their kids fit into the categories I listed in the OP he seems can never become citizens under current law.
     
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    Sorry hat do you mean?
     
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    If they are born here they have US citizenship. If their parents native country also grants them citizenship, they are dual citizens.
     
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    Isn't Micks an insult or is hat accepted now days.
     
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    They are immigrants. They just did so illegally. And the constitution grants their children, if born on US soil, US citizenship
     
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    What I said is that just because you were born here should not give you citizenship. See the OP..
    One parent needs to be a citizen or both parents need to be legal immigrants.

    That way illegalsdo not get to be citizens.
     
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    According to the mainstream left, illegal aliens are 'undocumented immigrants'.
     
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    It's a racial slur, but it's it's OK, it was aimed at whites by a progressive so it gets a pass.
     
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    We need to agree to disagree. I do not consider illegals to be immigrants. I am saying that children born here of illegals should not be citizens. This would take a change in the law.
     
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    Libertarian. I prefer the Constitution. Feel free to disagree. Do tell!
     
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    Which he has no hope of accomplishing.
     
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    The mainstream left and the right mainstream depending on the issue can be and at times is wrong in my opinion. I came here legally so everyone else can also. I do not owe illegals anything.

    We will most likely not be ble to make the law retroactive. If we do we should not go too far back because if we do I could become a non citizen.

    The problem with illegals started getting bad in the last thirty years so go back that far.

    You know even under my law change proposal Milania's parent would not becallowed to be citizens. How funny is that!
     
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    Of course, that was obvious in your OP.
     
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    Isn't it a slur on the Irish?
     
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    Indeed, technically an ethnic slur, considered by some to be racist, as the database in my link showed. I suppose in the same way that say a slur against a Mexican is also considered racist.
     
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    If you are going to turn age 67 within the next 30 years you better figure out who is going to be paying into your Social Security and Medicare because we are not birthing nearly enough children to support these programs in the future.We HAVE RECORD LOW BIRTH RATES WELL BELOW replacement rate for those dying off.A declining population means shrinking businesses less employment in other words a dying nation.Japan is experiencing it right now as they have lots of homes sitting vacant rotting away.Russia also has a declining population as do many other countries.India will soon be the worlds most populous country surpassing China and Nigeria will be in third place replacing the USA.
     
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    Good, any student loans you want us to pay for?
    Lemme guess, you dont want my guns?
     
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    Why cant you guys understand the constitution?
     
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    First off, you don't need a constitutional amendment to clarify the aforesaid 14th Amendment.

    Second, the anchor baby concept has never been challenged in court. You libs can spout off all you want but anchor babies of illegal aliens has never been approved by any court case, unlike the Wong Kim Ark case that libs, incorrectly, rely upon.

    Now I give you the plain language of Section 5 of the 14th Amendment since you have no clue what the second required prong, i.e. 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof', means:

    "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

    Hence, no constitutional amendment is needed. PERIOD.
     
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    Irony overload.
     
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    He'll never be able to pull it off with his style of browbeating. Evidently his ignorance of the Constitution is as plain as his dyed hair and makeup to hide his age.
     
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    I am totally in favor of civilian gun ownership here in America. I think it is dangerous for only government officials to be allowed to be armed. I have owned guns all my life and would not give them up easily. However I might support some regulation depending on how it was written if it showed any evidence that it would help stop these senseless mass shootings. Up to now, I have not seen any such specific legislation. I never got any student loans and neither did my kids. They got baseball scholarships thanks to the 50,000 plus ground balls and fly balls I hit them in my spare time along with the over 100,000 batting practice fastballs I threw them. I never got any free stuff nor did I ever ask for any. Both Republicans and Democrats have been pissing my hard earned tax dollars for decades now so I am not a member of either of those two confederacy’s of whores. I voted for Perot twice and Governor Johnson last time. I think Trump is a phony, a crook and a lying sack of crap so I definitely do not support him.
     
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    Any day "birthright citizenship" is denied to children of illegal aliens is a good day for America - though it's not hard to see why it might be a bad day for you.
    No, all it would take is obedience to the law.
     
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