Democrats getting more strange all the time.

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think he was a great guy and if he was Irish, I would probably like him even more. My point is that he was a Republican and yet he was a liberal and a progressive in a time when one was needed here in America. There have also been many other great Republican leaders since then. Some more progressive, some more conservative. However at this point, I think that the once great Republican Party has lost its way and can do much better in their choice of leaders.
     
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    Oh, i think we all know the reason . But to get one of them honest enought to admit it will be all but imposible. The most dishonest people i have ever witnessed by far.
     
  3. Chester_Murphy

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    Mr. President? lol
     
  4. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've got to admit their getting stranger-their getting stranger all the time.

    (one day I will cover this song with my lyrics)

     
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    Given that late night is largely dominated by far left ignoramuses whose notion of humor strays dangerous close to small children tearing the legs off flies, being target by such virtue signaling twits is a high honor.
    Visionary yes progressive no.
     
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  6. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think of the Republican Party's current choice of leaders like this: If you want to build up your muscles, you can buy these little flat oblong bags filled with something heavy -- little lead buckshot? -- weighing several kilos. You strap them to your arms and legs, and then, just walking around, you're doing weight training.

    If you have to accomplish some real task, or run fast for some reason, or wrestle with somebody ... they're a big handicap, even if their purpose is to make you better at doing these things in the future.

    So that's how I try to think of the current 'leadership' of the Republican Party. A burden now, but ... maybe it will make us stronger in the future?? At least we have been blasted out of the old business-as-usual, make your choice among the donor class's candidates, go back to sleep. There is some statement, probably a myth, about the Chinese ideogram for 'crisis' including the radical for 'opportunity' ... maybe that's what we have now.
     
  7. xwsmithx

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    You apparently weren't following the Democratic debates. ALL of the 2020 candidates endorsed socialist policies. ALL of them, Biden included. While Biden said America doesn't "need" socialism in 2016, this year, he said the Democrats and socialists are "on the same page".

    Biden Admits 2020 Dems Are All ‘on the Same Page’ When It Comes to Socialist Policies Backed by Sanders

    https://ijr.com/biden-admits-2020-dems-are-on-the-same-page-on-socialist-ideas/

    The one Democratic candidate who denounced socialism, Hickenlooper, was forced to drop out of the race because of low polling and Democratic opposition.


    "While addressing the California Democratic Party State Organizing Convention in San Francisco on Saturday night, former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper said something eminently sensible: “If we want to beat Donald Trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer.” The audience interrupted his remarks with sustained boos that lasted for 30 seconds. When Hickenlooper spoke against universal healthcare, the audience booed him again."

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...2020-candidate-booed-for-denouncing-socialism
     
  8. garyd

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    I take you're ingnoring the implications of what those on the democratic stage are saying?
     
  9. Daggdag

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    Like the Republicans claiming that small government is best, than then using the government to dictate whether or not two people should be allowed to marry, and other FASCIST ideas?
     
  10. Tim15856

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    I don't recall the Right wishing harm upon their fellow American's under Democrat admins.
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/19/recession-is-at-the-top-of-trump-haters-wish-list/
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...orth-it-if-it-means-trump-wont-get-re-elected
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/whos_wishing_for_a_recession.html
     
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    I honestly don't think you can label Lincoln as a liberal or a conservative in modern-day terms. His policies regarding preservation of the union were decidedly conservative. His policies regarding slavery were decidedly radical. Lincoln believed that the central government should be a strong one, but the federal budget at the time was a tiny fraction of GDP (~$100M/$11,800M<.1%) and no income tax existed prior to the war, making the central government in Lincoln's time a shadow of what it is today. The government today spends 22% of GDP, making the federal government by far the largest consumer of all US wealth. Lincoln opposed most of the extreme policies Republicans wanted to impose on the south, but at the same time was not willing to let the southern states rejoin the Union without consequences as the Democrats wanted. The southern Democrats accused Lincoln of being a radical during the 1860 election, and seceded from the Union when he was elected. But the northern Republicans accused Lincoln of being too conservative in that he was unwilling to push for an anti-slavery bill. Lincoln freed the slaves but still believed in the inferiority of blacks.

    "During his famous debates with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln explained to the crowd: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”"

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-lincoln-racism-equality-oppose/

    So I really don't think you can call Lincoln "progressive", "liberal", "conservative", or any of the other terms we bandy about today. They don't fit the times in which he lived.
     
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    When Obama was elected, the Republican party literally stated that their goal was to obstruct any and all bills which would make Obama look good as president. They even obstructed a bill to give healthcare to 9/11 first responders, because they didn't want Obama getting credit for it as the President to sign it into law.

    Mitch McConnel told party leaders that most Americans blame the President for anything that goes wrong, and they would be able to obstruct Obama all they want and simply spin it as Obama failing in his duties. The end goal was to **** up the country, and blame it on Obama in an attempt to ensure victory in 2012.
     
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  13. Tim15856

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    OK, you have a point that the GOP did try to obstruct, stupid party political games. I was thinking more along the lines of the public RW. Those links don't mention politicians.
     
  14. Quantum Nerd

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    Just to clarify:

    Do tax cuts that will have to be paid for by future generations count as buying votes with taxpayer's money?

    What about a proposal to buy a whole country?

    10 years ago, weren't you adamant that +$1 trillion deficits made the country worse, not better? What has changed?
     
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    Don't you remember the posts in forum that time from RWers?

    -The said thy were going to close their businesses
    -They threatened to lay off workers
    -They were not buying into the stock market
    -They went to Tea party rallies to push austerity onto the country in the worst economic time

    Those were all normal people, not politicians,who were actively undermining the economy, just because they hated Obama.
     
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    There is no denying this truth. Both parties are screwing the country over when it comes to the debt.

    This is why a smaller, more decentralized federal government is necessary. When power is concentrated in one place, like Washington DC, then this is the result.
     
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    Observe my joined date. The election was the most talked about topic. I don't recall those things you mentioned, but I'm getting old and forgetful, so it's possible some of it slipped my mind.
     
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    Socialist policies (some of which the US already has) is not the same as wanting govt to control ALL means of production and have no private enterprise at ALL
     
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    By all means please share any evidence of any Dem stating they want govt to control ALL means of production and have no private enterprise at ALL
     
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    Where do I claim the entire Dem party is saying that? It's more than just Maher, I heard some others mention it. I saw a report about MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle talking about it but after looking into it, she doesn't come right out and say she wishes for a recession to get rid of Trump.
     
  22. Doug1943

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    Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both opposed gay marriage at one point, and not so long ago at that.
    But these two FASCISTs changed their minds. So there is hope.
     
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    Strawman. This is the original post you responded to:

    He never implied nor suggest (nor did anyone else in this thread) that anyone is openly pushing for government controlling all production. He said socialism doesn't work. That is an objectively verifiable truth, so the closer you get to complete socialism, the closer you get to complete and utter failure. That's what all the Democrats running for president and half the Democrats in Congress want for this country.
     
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    No they don't. And THAT is why I said...."No one is looking to turns the US into a socialist country. But if you have evidence of anyone looking to have govt control ALL means of production and have no private enterprise at ALL then by all means please share."
     
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    There is a difference between owning and controlling. None current European country owns the means of production but they all damn well control it. The same is true here. Millions of pages of rules and regulations see to that. And that's just at the federal level God help the small company that gets caught up in some regulatory pissing contest between state federal and local governments.
     

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