Democrats getting more strange all the time.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, the tax payers pay the bills regardless... either they give the money to corporations or the government
     
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    Typical of Trumpers. It's not socialism if you like it
     
  3. Texas Republican

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    People have jobs. We have 3% unemployment; anyone that wants to work has a job.

    Socialism leads to higher unemployment. Europe has higher unemployment than the U.S.
     
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    What are these examples of the country getting better? And how is any of proven to be thanks to Trump?
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    Unemployment isn't necessarily the be all end all measure of better. In fact, low unemployment brings it's own issues.

    Socialism leads to higher unemployment? No, if put into practice as designed (no political system ever is) socialism should equal 100% employment. If the state/people truely own all means of production, then that means they are all employed as owners.

    Europe's higher unemployment rate doesn't mean Europe is worse off. By other measures, some European countries outdo us.
     
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    The only way to achieve 100% employment would be with an authoritarian police state. No thanks. 3% unemployment is "full employment" in the real world. And it's better than 11% in Europe.
     
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    Winning will do that
     
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    The MSM has driven the demo base insane.
     
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    Interesting that you bring up the UR. While it is low, the labor force participation rate (LFPR) has barely moved since 2015, when it stopped its slide. That means, there are still a lot of people on the sideline.

    We also need to remember that when Obama was in office, the UR didn't matter to his detractors, the economy was supposedly poor because the LFPR was poor. it is not surprising that the same people now stopped looking at the LFPR as a measure of the health in the labor market, but rather the UR, which Trump himself has claimed was fake when he was running for president.

    "The number isn't reflective," he said. "I've seen numbers of 24 percent -- I actually saw a number of 42 percent unemployment. Forty-two percent." He continued, "5.3 percent unemployment -- that is the biggest joke there is in this country. … The unemployment rate is probably 20 percent, but I will tell you, you have some great economists that will tell you it's a 30, 32. And the highest I've heard so far is 42 percent."
     
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    Again, you are arbitrarily defining it to suit your support of Trump and the current economic state.

    11% unemployment simply means that many working able people don't have jobs working for someone else. It doesn't mean they are economically unproductive. Many entrepreneurs are considered unemployed for a quite some time even though they are economically productive. Many people pursuing academic pursuits (not college kids in the US) can fall into this category. Is that undesirable for society? People raising children or volunteering also can fall into this category. Is that undesirable? People taking odd jobs for cash could also be counted as unemployed.

    There is no definition of "full employment" based on an unemployment %. In fact, "full employment" can happen at any unemployment % depending on how you choose to define both full employment and unemployment.

    Also, having employers fight for labor sounds good, on the surface, but as I said, it can lead other impacts such as inflation and lowered productivity. So again, there really isn't better or worse from one data point such as unemployment. It's merely that, one data point.
     
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    I used to understand where the Democrat's legislative proposals for things like social welfare were coming from, but like you said, they have gone off the deep end.

    Then there are other proposals by Democrats running for president, that are just insane, like forcing American citizens to pay for all the health care of all foreign citizens, even if they reside in our country illegally, in direct violation of our immigration laws.

    Even the elected Democrats serving in Congress right now, are making wild-eyed proposals for federal entitlement programs that our nation could never pay for.

    Fortunately there are some Democrat voters, and those currently serving in Congress who are voicing their objections to most all of the proposed insanity. However, the news media, and the most vocal Democrats are all in favor of the insanity.
     
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    Match up the history of the Democrat Party with the history of the Republican Party.

    Are you sure you want to go there...???

    If so, you can start with Andrew Jackson. Then stop at the white slave spoils system of James K. Polk. Or how about Woodrow, "the segregationist," Wilson?

    Funny how the statues that people are trying to take down of those that they consider to be really bad people are almost exclusively of people who were Democrats.
     
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    Unfortunately, the taxpayers cede their power to unelected government bureaucrats, who have their own agendas (mainly feeding at the trough).
     
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    No. Really all I'm concerned with is what's happened in my life time.
     
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    What you define as insane is simply you supporting your own ideological view point, that is if we pay for people's health care, all people who reside here regardless of their immigration status, that somehow that will lead to problems.

    But frankly you are ignoring some key data with that question. The first one is, people come here illegally NOW and we don't pay for their health care. The second is, people here illegally pay taxes in their various forms. And thirdly, if people are here illegally and they get sick, how does that help the US? It certainly doesn't help them return to their country of origin either. So, a logical question to ask is, if we just pay for everyone's healthcare, do we see a net benefit in productivity and overall health? That's the cost benefit analysis question that should be the focus. Not questioning the policy based on your beliefs.
     
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    more and more good jobs are going overseas to places like India and such... not saying it will happen over night, but it's coming... automation and artificial intelligence will speed this up even more

    we will be the last generations to enjoy the freedom we now enjoy, but who knows, maybe someone will get socialism right someday

    Corporations are gaining the power and when they no longer need the worker, that is when things change - the people will demand that change
     
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    I'm not even a little surprised at that.
     
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    No, it's not hard to return people to their country of origin. You put them on a bus.
     
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    Then you should be very concerned about the increasing totalitarianism being practiced by the increasingly insane left.
     
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    Yeah - blah, blah, blah. Carry on.
     
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    People will have to make the robots, repair the robots and supervise the robots.
     
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    You support oppression?
     
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    No, MOST don't want to go there. Sadly, many people on the left who favor the Democratic Party, have white washed their party's history. Many have adopted the fantasy that all the racist Democrats left the Party, and suddenly became Republicans. After a hundred years of dems hating repubs for vehemently opposing the dems on slavery, pol taxes, black codes and the Civil Rights Act, we are to believe they all switched parties.... for no reason.
     
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    yep, some will do quite well, but many others will not
     
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    ...and then the voters don't seem to care, and sometime actually encourage the people we elect to Congress, to cede their power to the Executive Branch. Then the same voters complain about a president they don't agree with, makes changes, because he has too much power and authority. Go figure.
     
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