Planned parenthood leaves title x family programs because of abortion rule

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by ctarborist, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Access to the means of avoiding pregnancy is freely available AND free (by saying 'not tonight, dear'), and cheaply available to anyone serious about not having a child and unable to say no. Skip a couple of fast food meals that month and you're covered. Unless you're not serious, of course .. in which case you might spend all your readies on fun stuff and then pretend you can't afford contraception.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2019
  2. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    its objective fact that federal tax dollars do not and can not fund abortions.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2019
    FoxHastings likes this.
  3. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is no such thing as an 'unwanted' pregnancy outside of rape.

    If she agreed to the unprotected sex, she agreed to the consequences. Protest otherwise and you condemn women with the implication that they're too stupid to make the connection.
     
  4. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Pretending it's anything OTHER than killing a baby for your own convenience, is the true horror here.
     
  5. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Consenting to sex is not consent to pregnancy. They are 2 entirely separate things.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  6. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh? And yet there are folk here asserting that women are too stupid and feeble-minded to grasp the connection between intercourse and conception.
     
  7. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are literally saying that women don't understand consequences.

    Do you hate women generally? Or do you just think we're all impulsive and stupid?
     
  8. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No I’m pointing out consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy, as those are 2 entirely different things.

    Do you think making moronic straw men arguments makes you any less wrong?
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  9. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's only 'two entirely different things' if you don't know how babies are made. Sorry, your premise is absurd, times ten.
     
  10. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, it’s not a premise. It’s a biological and legal fact. Over 99.9% of sexual encounters are not related to procreation. Consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. As they are 2 different things.
     
    FoxHastings and FreshAir like this.
  11. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,648
    Likes Received:
    63,066
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yep, pro-lifers do not support free access to long term birth control options cause it's really about women having sex, not about them having the abortion - this would be the best way to reduce abortions, yet pro-lifers do not support it

    ask Palin how well absence only education worked for her daughter

    Palin even became the ambassador of Absence education and she got pregnant again

    "Bristol Palin Says Abstinence 'Not Realistic at All'"

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/bristol-palin-says-abstinence-not-realistic-at-all

    "Bristol Palin Earns $262,000 as Abstinence Ambassador"

    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...earns-262000-as-abstinence-ambassador-201154/

    "Unmarried Bristol Palin, ‘ambassador for abstinence,’ pregnant again"

    https://www.thestar.com/entertainme...ambassador-for-abstinence-pregnant-again.html
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2019
    Mr_Truth likes this.
  12. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it remains an absurd (and awful) premise. You are saying that adult humans should not be expected to consider consequences. You are basically supporting infantilism.
     
  13. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,088
    Likes Received:
    32,897
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The US tax payer
     
  14. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,088
    Likes Received:
    32,897
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So it is breathing, blood circulation, neural activity?
    It can survive on its on?

    We disagree on what the word alive means.
     
  15. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again, biological and legal facts are not a premise.

    No, I’m pointing out consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy.
     
  16. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,911
    Likes Received:
    39,197
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    False as has been demonstrated, it's a child, a baby, a person, a human being. And how many abortions happen within the first 6 days anyway?
     
  17. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,911
    Likes Received:
    39,197
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And BTW
    New Research Shows Abortion Poses Higher Risk of Death than Giving Birth

    For years abortion advocates and researchers have been asserting that an abortion is in fact safer than carrying a pregnancy to term. They contend that pregnancy is a long process and the chance of complications during the gestational period and birth is significantly higher than complications resulting from the abortion procedure. However, a study released this past week demonstrates that this claim is not entirely valid. New research, which takes into account the full reproductive histories of the women involved, illustrates that, compared to women who delivered their babies, women who had an early- or late-term abortion have significantly higher mortality rates within one to ten years of the event.
    https://lozierinstitute.org/new-res...poses-higher-risk-of-death-than-giving-birth/
     
    Zorro likes this.
  18. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Are there clinics that do NOT do the scans prior to abortion? I can't see how else the gestational age of the pregnancy is determined and any clinics not checking are surely putting themselves at legal risk.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2019
  19. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In order to determine the gestational age of the pregnancy, right?
     
  20. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do ANY? Or is your argument simply that it isn't "FLOCKS?"
     
  21. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If they want a safe medical procedure under the state's health system, then why shouldn't they follow the state's procedure?
     
  22. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do you think that someone should be able to walk up to their brain dead family member and kill them?

    Temporary sterilisation? That's a thing?
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2019
  23. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm asking, what all of a sudden makes it a life AFTER 8 weeks?
     
  24. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And take up a life support system which could be used on a child who has a chance of recovery?
     
  25. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What about if I'm NOT next of kin?
     

Share This Page