Why aren't feminists protesting

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  1. Margot2

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    Why would I? America doesn't run the world.
     
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    So why do you ask? America runs the world whenever we feel the need.
     
  3. ryobi

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    See as a Feminist she denies that women are even discriminated against in the Muslim world.

    """""Rape is considered a crime in all countries of the North Africa and Middle East region, but as of 2011, sharia-based or secular laws in some countries, including Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Morocco, Syria and Tunisia, allowed a rapist to escape punishment by marrying his victim, while in other countries, including Libya, Oman, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates, rape victims who press charges risk being prosecuted for extramarital sex""""

    In Liberalism, multiculturalism trumps women's rights. Liberals believe all cultures are relative and there are no objective truths.

    I don't believe all cultures are relative.

    I don't believe a culture that charges women with extramarital sex after being raped in the Middle East is equal to cultures in the West that do not charge women with extra-marital sex after being raped.

    I don't believe a culture in Africa that practices female genital mutilation is equal to cultures in the West that do not.

    And I believe there are objective truths.....

    But none of this is going to matter to Margot2

    Watch
     
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    Are you hard of reading or somink?
     
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    Don't be silly. That would suggest they actually care about women.

    You should know they care far more about Virtue Signalling, than womens' rights. Hence the very careful selection of only the softest of targets and easiest of 'battles'.
     
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    And? That should at the very least, silence any and all complaints pertaining to our First World democracies. It's grotesque to be whining about such trivial insults while our sisters are being honour killed. Like being thoughtless greedy pigs.
     
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    Yet so many on the Left bleat about America 'running the world'. Hmmm.
     
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  8. ryobi

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    You got me!
     
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    Not bad, but I bet the Reese's flavor is better.

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  10. ryobi

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    Generally, I just go along with things like this.

    I was reading a study on Rocket Science and the researchers used horsepower to measure the thrusts of the rockets on the space shuttle

    I was like how could that be???

    I was familiar with the equation for horsepower: torque x RPM / 5252 = horsepower

    But where is the torque in a rocket?

    Where is the RPM in a rocket.

    Anyways, it turns out you can convert between different forms of Energy like:

    Joules, BTU's, PSI, Wats, Calories et cetera

    I had a box of fruity pebbles.

    So I posed the question: How many bowls of fruity pebbles would it take to power the rockets in the space shuttle???

    And this person said they refused to consider the problem because, "it is ridiculous"

    So I asked him if it mattered if it was not just fruity pebbles but fruity pebbles and milk and he said "the problem is still ridiculous"

    LOL

    Anyways, I converted the value for horsepower in the study into calories and it turns out it would take 22,806 bowls of fruity pebbles to power the rockets in a space shuttle for 1 second-LOL
     
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  11. Paul7

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    Apparently that was true when Obama was POTUS also.
     
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    No Muslim nation, but the brave Ayaan Hirsi Ali has. She is herself a victim of FGM, and rightly denounces the hypocrisy of Western feminists. From Wikipedia:

    "Hirsi Ali has criticised the treatment of women in Islamic societies and the punishments demanded by conservative Islamic scholars for homosexuality and adultery. She publicly identified as Muslim until 28 May 2002, when she acknowledged in her diary that she knew she was not.[110]

    In a 2007 interview in the London Evening Standard,[25] Hirsi Ali characterised Islam as "the new fascism":

    Just like Nazism started with Hitler's vision, the Islamic vision is a caliphate – a society ruled by Sharia law – in which women who have sex before marriage are stoned to death, homosexuals are beaten, and apostates like me are killed. Sharia law is as inimical to liberal democracy as Nazism ... Violence is inherent in Islam – it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder.

    In a 2007 article in Reason magazine, Hirsi Ali said that Islam, the religion, must be defeated and that "we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars."[111] She said, "Islam, period. Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace ... There comes a moment when you crush your enemy. (..) and if you don't do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed." Adding: "the Christian powers have accepted the separation of the worldly and the divine. We don't interfere with their religion, and they don't interfere with the state. That hasn't happened in Islam."[111] She reiterated her position that the problem isn't just a few "rotten apples" in the Islamic community but "I'm saying it's the entire basket." She stated that the majority of Muslims aren't "moderates" and they must radically alter their religion.[112] Max Rodenbeck, writing in The New York Review of Books, notes that Ali's view of Islam has shifted and "mellowed," as she no longer completely rejects Islam. She now narrowly criticizes what she calls "Medina Muslims", meaning the fundamentalists who envision a regime based on sharia,[113] and who ignore the more inclusive passages of Muhammad's Meccan period, a small minority of Muslims,[114] who are, nevertheless, quite influential among young Muslims, according to Hirsi Ali: "These men, I find them to be far more influential in inspiring and mobilising young men to see the religion of Islam the way they see it, than the way either Imam Faisal says he sees it, or Maajid Nawaz says he sees it."[115] Ayaan Hirsi Ali stated that, in her opinion, "The Christian extremists here, in the United States, who take the Bible and use it to kill people and hurt people, they are the fringe, but unfortunately, what we are seeing in Muslim countries is that the people who feel they should be governed under the Sharia Law, are not a fringe. (..) Islam can become a religion of peace, if politics is divorced from religion",[115] and she stated that: "The individual that wants to kill me because I am an apostate of Islam, is inspired to do that from the scripture of Islam, the example of the prophet Mohammed, the clergy that preached to him, and the reward that he will get in the hereafter."[115]

    She described Islamic societies as lagging "in enlightened thinking, tolerance and knowledge of other cultures" and that their history cannot cite a single person who "made a discovery in science or technology, or changed the world through artistic achievement".[16]

    In a 2010 interview with The Guardian, she compared the responses of Christians and Muslims to criticism of their respective religions. While Christians would often simply ignore criticism, Muslims would instead take offence, display a victim mentality and take criticism as insults.[116]

    She insists that many contemporary Muslims have not yet transitioned to modernity,[17] and that many Muslim immigrants are culturally unsuited to life in the West and are therefore a burden.[18] Ali calls upon atheist and Christian Euro-Americans to unite against the Muslim extremism in the West. She urges the former to educate Muslims and the latter, especially Western Churches, to convert "as many Muslims as possible to Christianity, introducing them to a God who rejects Holy War and who has sent his son to die for all sinners out of love for mankind".[17] Hirsi Ali stated that: "Islam needs a reformation. Muslim leaders who are serious about achieving true and enduring peace, need to revise the Koran and the Hadith, so there is a consistency between what the peaceloving Muslims want and what their religion says."[117]

    Hirsi Ali speaking in April 2015, on an Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio program said,

    It's wrong for Western leaders like [former Prime Minister of Australia] Tony Abbott to say the actions of the Islamic State aren't about religion. I want to say to him 'please don't say such things in public because it's just not true.' You're letting down all the individuals who are reformers within Islam who are asking the right questions that will ultimately bring about change.[118]

    Speaking shortly after the 2015 San Bernardino shooting, Hirsi Ali commented on the nature of radicalization within communities of Islamic believers saying, "If we talk about the process of what we now call radicalization, that you see a process where individuals are putting on a religious identity. It's all about being a Muslim, you shed the rest of it or you downplay the rest of it and you try to make everyone else as pious as yourself. And this would be, looking back at San Bernardino, the telltale signs. These changes that the family, the friends, the close circle of relatives should have observed."[5]

    Muhammad[edit]
    See also: Criticism of Muhammad
    Hirsi Ali criticises the central Islamic prophet on morality and personality traits (criticisms based on biographical details or depictions by Islamic texts and early followers of Muhammad). In January 2003 she told the Dutch paper Trouw, "Muhammad is, seen by our Western standards, a pervert and a tyrant", as he married, at the age of 53, Aisha, who was six years old and nine at the time the marriage was consummated. She later said: "Perhaps I should have said 'a pedophile'".[119] Muslims filed a religious discrimination suit against her that year. The civil court in The Hague acquitted Hirsi Ali of any charges, but said that she "could have made a better choice of words".[120]

    Genital mutilation[edit]
    Hirsi Ali is a prominent opponent of female genital mutilation (FGM), which she has criticized in many of her writings. When in the Dutch parliament, she proposed obligatory annual medical checks for all uncircumcised girls living in the Netherlands who came from countries where FGM is practised. She proposed that if a physician found that a Dutch girl had been mutilated, a report to the police would be required – with protection of the child prevailing over privacy.[121]

    Feminism[edit]
    Hirsi Ali has criticized Western feminists for avoiding the issue of the subjugation of women in the Muslim world and singled out Germaine Greer for arguing that FGM needs to be considered a "cultural identity" that western women don't understand.[116]

    During the Brandeis University controversy, Hirsi Ali noted that "an authority on 'Queer/Feminist Narrative Theory' siding with the openly homophobic Islamists".[123]

    Rich Lowry writing for Politico wrote that while Hirsi Ali had many traits which should have made her a "feminist hero" such as: being a refugee from an abusive patriarchy, being an African immigrant who made her way to a Western country and an advocate for women's rights, this does not happen because she is "a dissident of the wrong religion". Feminists instead criticise Hirsi Ali for "strengthening racism" instead of "weakening sexism".[124]



    Truly, Islam is a retarding influence.
     
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    She's Somali . FGM is not Islamic … Its roots are in Egypt and Africa.

    Do you want American women to go to Somali and protest or just protest in the US?

    Most Muslims don't want a caliphate because the last one was such a dud and it caused the Muslim world to stagnate.
     
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    FGM is overwhelmingly an Islamic practice today. Why is that?

    Here would be fine, lots of Americans had no problem doing so against South African Apartheid.

    Cite? What most Muslims don't want is Western-style freedoms.
     
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    Circumcision is overwhelmingly a Western and Christian as well as a Jewish practice, why is that?
     
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    In Liberalism, Multiculturalism trumps women's rights
     
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    FGM is mostly African and matrilineal... Its rare in the Gulf States and has been banned in Egypt for 20 years. For some ungodly reason its practiced in Indonesia.

    Do you know any Muslims? Have you lived in any Arab countries or in East Africa?

    The Emir of Mecca proclaimed himself caliph and was chased off the Arabian peninsula in 1924.. Then another was shot dead on the spot about 1979. The only ones that want a caliphate are those with no oil who are impoverished and backwards.
     
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    None of this popped the Liberal bubble she lives in.

    None of it.
     
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    Yeah...I wonder why that is....

    Islam is the most adhered to religion in Indonesia, with 87.2% of Indonesian population identifying themselves as Muslim in 2010 estimate. Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world, with approximately 225 million Muslims.

    But none of this is going to matter to Margot2

    Watch.

    We're all ignorant and Margot2 is an expert on Islam
     
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    Yup, she must cling to the multi-cultural myth that all religions and cultures are the same.
     
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    I just gave you the view of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has a whole lot of experience with Islam. I did talk with a business client recently, whose father once owned 50 properties in Iran. They were confiscated because he was Jewish. Recently I spoke with a guy who married a former Muslim, one of her relatives married a guy who on their wedding night wasn't able to get aroused. The Muslim family blamed her, and a bunch of them beat the tar out of her.

    Look, Islam wants domination against we infidels, whether in their countries or in Europe or America. There is no Muslim nation with freedom of religion as we know it in the Judeo/Christian West. These inbred throwbacks add nothing to any civilized nation.
     
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    You don't even know the meaning of infidels.

    Ayaan is gay so she has other issues. You do know there are still lots of Jews in Iran.. They have been there 2500 years and the are prosperous. You spoke with a guy??????

    So you have never been to Iran either..
     
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    Any non-Muslim, it's really simple.

    So what, you're anti-gay or something?

    Down to 9,000, from about 100,000 at the time of the Islamic Revolution.

    A client I've known for years, it's heartbreaking to hear how Jews were/are treated in Iran, just like Christians are. He got out about 20 years ago, lucky for him.

    Irrelevant, I've cited my friend who left there but you don't care about facts.
     
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    it didn't matter

    lol
     
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    Ironic That.
     

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