Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

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  1. superbadbrutha

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    So how is any of that different than what Pres Obama was doing. I am waiting for you to show where folks with a mentally illness are given a criminal record or treated the same as criminals.
     
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    Because Obama was putting people on a criminal background database for simply getting SS to pay for treatment. There was no due process no finding they were dangerous...and certainly they weren’t criminals
     
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    Completely untrue. The legal standard for losing gun rights is to have been adjucated by a court to be mentally deficient. Requesting that your SS check be sent to a 3rd party does not reach that standard. It is something that never should have happened in the first place.
     
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    The OP says differently.
     
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    If the matter were truly cared about on the part of yourself, you would not be so quick to abandon the matter to uninformed politicians who consistently prove they know even less about the subject than their voting constituents, and whose only concern is saying whatever it takes to win another election so they do not have to get a regular job and live like everyone else.

    Politicians rely on emotion and what sounds good to the uninformed public. They do not care about facts, as the public does not have the attention span necessary for facts.

    And exactly what does "civilians shooting like soldiers" amount to in hard, physical, easily cited terminology?

    It is not possible for yourself to explain your own statement or terminology, simply because you do not understand it yourself, and have no interest in understanding it. It sounds good to you, and that is all you care about.

    The simple fact of the matter is that you simply do not care about the matter. Otherwise you would be making every effort to inform and educate yourself about the subject at hand so you can actually convey to others, exactly what you are attempting to talk about, to build support for the position being demonstrated on the part of yourself.
     
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    The difference is those working for the social security administration who are making such determinations are not informed experts on the matter of mental health, nor regularly work with such informed experts. Their area of expertise is in matters of paperwork. They are uneducated, uninformed, unaccountable individuals making determinations for the sake of their own benefit by making their own jobs easier.
     
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    When did the SSA still determining if you are mentally ill?
     
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    This has nothing to do with politicians not knowing what they are doing. This has to do that democracy in the US is a joke. You got a fast majority not wanting these type of semi automatic rifles. And you got Donald doing the opposite. Lost of politicians of the right applaud this. It has to do with the corrupt way of all these lobby groups giving money to political parties.

    Your idea that you know best, is frankly just hilarious.

    I think we've seen enough stats in how the US compares to other western nations, to end this horsing around in how these mass shootings end in any kind of terminology.

    Well. I do. And don't call me a liar or something similar.
     
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    The OP is wrong
     
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    oh sure... because you say so. lol
     
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    No, because I read the actual link
     
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    yeah... and your arguments were totally convincing! lol
     
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    They were't arguments....it's a simple fact, all Obama did was put people getting SSI payments that were going to mental health treatment on a criminal database. He treatment poor and elderly people like criminals, and put them on a criminal database....it however didn't make it illegal for them to purchase guns....it just discouraged people from getting help.

    The current President fixed that
     
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    It says perfectly fine...
    "This is the database used by the FBI to determine who is able to purchase firearms."
     
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    Then ultimately the reason these mass shootings were so successful is not because a rifle was utilized, but rather because the victims chose to believe and trust the system that is in place when the system said they were safe, and refrained from exercising situational awareness. The victims chose to feel safe and refused to consider the possibility that they were not actually safe, and as such ultimately paid the price for their own ignorance and laziness.
     
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    Even worse then....Obama took away people's Constitutional rights, without due process....and put them on a criminal datebase! Horrible....
     
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    At one point in the history of the united states, the majority of the public believed blacks should continue being slaves deprived of rights, and that homosexuals should not legally be allowed to marry.

    Simply because the majority supports a specific idea, does not mean the idea is correct. The majority of the united states do not want illegal aliens to be present in the united states for any reason. Should their will be heeded simply because the majority says so?

    Exactly what does "civilians shooting like soldiers" amount to in hard, physical, easily cited terminology?

    If the matter were truly cared about on the part of yourself, you would not believe that vague terminology is perfectly appropriate for trying to describe a concept of thought. Nor would you be so quick to abandon the matter to uninformed politicians who consistently prove they know even less about the subject than their voting constituents, and whose only concern is saying whatever it takes to win another election so they do not have to get a regular job and live like everyone else.

    You only care so long as you do not actually have to do any work yourself.
     
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    Apparently it was constitutional.
     
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    Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

    I don't know what rule there is that you are talking about but the firearms act of 1968 bans the mentally ill from buying, owning or using guns. Only congress can change national laws. So whatever you think he blocked doesn't matter.
     
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    Explain how it is?
     
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    Dude... This is what democracy is about. Move to some dictatorship or something if you don't like it.

    I already responded to this.

    I already responded to this.
     
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    It was allowed.
     
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    What?
     
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    By whom? It was never vetted by a Court.
     
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    And the united states used to forcefully sterilize individuals it deemed to be undesirables so that they could not reproduce. Such was allowed, until it was not. A law being implemented does not mean it is constitutional by mere virtue of existing. Such is not how the law of the united states works.
     

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