British Parliament suspended

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  1. MissingMayor

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    Liberals cry about the needed consensus for certain government actions? Seems odd to restrict that to liberals.
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    When POTUS is elected, they want a simple majority. When gay marriage is being forced on us then we don’t need a majority because it’s the right thing to do. When health repeal laws are stuck senate liberals claim its important to have more than a simple majority to repeal it.

    So, libs need a majority in one case, don’t need a majority in another and then yet in another one they need more than a majority.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

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    Don't know enough about British politics to say more than the following: focus more on winning the real fight than these tactical scrimmages. Even with a no deal Brexit, as long as the 'anti-no deal-Brexit' wins the next election, they can still presumably negotiate a deal with Europe. The deal, as far as I can tell, doesn't need to be before Brexit and negotiating it after you have won a mandate, undercuts the other side's most potent argument, namely that they are implementing what a (slight) majority of Brits voted for in their referendum on Brexit. Just make sure the elections are held before any steps that would be hard to reverse and then bring out the vote and win the next election.
     
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  4. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    The value of German socialism took a big hit with the decision to leave. Perhaps Alexa is feverishly looking for his Preparation H today...
     
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    But... but... my dreams of universal socialism... dashed... here, let me extend you a tissue....
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    But you like the EU... and here you are saying this...
     
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    You seem pretty confused about the facts here. The voters chose to leave. Whether there was a deal or not was folks like you moving the goal posts so you could excuse not actually leaving. Yup, too transparent . Democracy, in fact, is not being suspended. You just don' like the tactics. Too bad. Germany will just have to slog on without the UK. Makes what Merkel is doing these days pretty dicey....
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

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    Lets say the next elections are held rather soon and anti-Brexit plus anti-no deal Brexit parties are able to win and form a coalition. Can they not then go back to the Europeans and negotiate a "trade deal" which would include terms that would bring the UK even more into the EU mold than any Brexit deal that Theresa May negotiated?
     
  9. Montegriffo

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    Going against the four freedoms is not cherry picking. It would dismantle the whole point of the single market and risk the peace process in Northern Ireland.
     
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    Yes, but only if they can get the deal approved by Parliament and the EU. There is still no solution to a hard border in Northern Ireland though, which breaks the GFA and risks a return to violence and according to Boulton rules out a possibility of a trade deal with the US.
    The pound is falling dramatically just as a result of the increased chances of no-deal and even the government's reports on the consequences of a no-deal Brexit predict dire results for the economy.
    The best possible outcome, with the time left to Parliament, before the Oct 31st deadline is passing May's plan with the backstop included and the worst possible outcome is crashing out without a deal.
     
  11. MissingMayor

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    The electoral college would be better if it followed the original percentages that it was created under. But it isn't a huge deal to me. It clearly would require an amendment (large majority) to change, and for good reason.
    No one is forcing you into gay marriage. And btw, that was decided by the Supreme Court. Either way I don't see how it has any affect on your life or any of the people complaining about it.
     
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    What did they vote for.
     
  14. free man

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    Lets say I work for you and decide to quit.
    Now you say, I do not want you to quit and will not give you your pension money.
    I say lets talk about it.
    You say, nothing to talk about, from now on you work for me for free and sometime in the future, which I will not commit to, I will consider if I give you your pension money.
    Now tell me who is the idiot that will agree to that, other than a person with a slave mentality?
    That person is May.
    The one who walks away from the exploiter is Jhonson.
     
  15. MissingMayor

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    Except this isn't an employer - employee relationship. The UK entered into a contract with the EU and has already obligated itself. Trying to walk away from obligations will not work.
     
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    Nope. You are the one confused which is hardly surprising as you weren't here. How we would leave was very much part of the vote. The Leave people went on and on about how it would be the easiest thing in the world. How Europe would be bending over backwards to give us the best deal they could because they needed us much more than we needed them. The Remain people believed that we would join EFTA and be in much the same situation as before except without a voice. The people who voted leave far from voting for the chaos and damage that No Deal will do, thought things would carry on much the same. It was only once the vote won, which not even Boris Johnson expected that they started going on with no deral is better than a bad deal and yes, he is suspending democracy and the reason for this is that he knows he will be unable to get a majority of the representatives of the people to vote for what he wants. Your opinion of this means nothing. I live in Scotland. Even if England descends to the gates of hell, I do not need to be a part of that. The Extreme right do not have a foothold in Scotland. Is what has got you so excited the thought of ending the UK because that looks like what you want will achieve.
     
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    What obligation? Please enlight me...
     
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    And it doesnt matter to you that the the very few members of the government pushing for this, grossly lied to the public to get the outcome they wished?

    Why doesnt that part matter?
     
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    Nigel Farage's MEP pension for one.
    That hypocrite has been on the Brussels gravy train for 20 years and it's not stopping when we leave.
     
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    OK, here is what they said when they were being questioned during the election of PM. Boris also is somewhere videoed acting in a similar lying way to the rest.



    In addition they appear already to be at odds with each other. The Chancellor of the Exchequer seeing his aids being removed by the police without him being consulted and other people making his financial announcements. These happenings appear to be conducted not by Johnson but by an unelected 'Manager'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ld-in-advance-of-advisers-sacking-by-cummings

    In that one people believe Javid will not complain but seems he has

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...confronts-boris-johnson-over-advisers-sacking
     
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    This is a good little interview between Amy Goodman of Democracy Now and Ash Sarkar of Novara Media to give people an idea of what Boris is doing and why people do not want No Deal.
     
  22. MissingMayor

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    The rules including a "divorce clause" they signed onto with the EU.
     
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    I will ask again, what is the obligation?
    Saying 'there is some obligation' is nothing.
    Maybe there is, maybe there is none, maybe the obligation is nothing.
     
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    Claiming ignorance is not a good legal strategy.
     
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    What happened to your "EU will accept UK demands" bla bla? Johnson travelled Berlin and got dismissed by Merkel. After that he travelled Paris and got dismissed by Macron. He is finished and he knows that.
     

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