Routine Traffic Stop leads to 7 dead - in Odessa

The "routine stop" was for failing to signal. Many times such an infraction would go unstopped - cops normally have better things to do with their time. As Murphy's law would have it - unfortunately this stop turned deadly.

One thing that one also notices is that the "failing to signal" is the most common "made up" excuse for randomly stopping people.

Some may have heard of the "Popcorn Theory" - Civil liberties continue to be trashed and attacked through bad Law. This increases the number of interactions between police and individuals.

People do not like having their civil liberties violated and depending on the person - one never knows what will be the straw that breaks the camels back.

When you make Popcorn you put the kernels into the pot with some oil and turn up the heat. As you look down at the sizzling kernels you don't know which one will pop first but, you do know that eventually one will pop - and if the heat is left on eventually the lid will come off the pot.

As I look out onto the raging masses - I can not tell you which one will pop. What I can tell you is that if we keep the heat turned on - at some point the lid will come off the pot.

When these and similar senseless events happen - everyone freaks out and the same old narratives are replayed - "we have to get rid of guns" "what could have been done to prevent this" and so on.

What is almost never discussed is how bad law increases interactions between police and citizens and how the volatility of these actions is increased.

We also hear the question " How was this person radicalized " Was it Video Games - White supremicist ideology - Islamist ideology ? What we almost never hear is "Maybe it was bad law - civil rights being trampled on - that radicalized this individual.

We are told the fellow had a criminal record - was this then a case of the Police running the plates - seeing the fellow had a criminal record and making up a reason to stop the fellow ? We don't know. Had this fellow been randomly stopped previously ? We don't know.

What we do know however is if we keep the heat turned up - more kernels are going to pop.

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https://clashdaily.com/2019/09/6-de...shooting-up-midland-and-odessa-heres-the-411/

 

I personally wish more people were pulled over for failure to signal, failure to yield, texting and driving, going under the speed limit in the passing lane and so on. That you feel him having a record and just happen to be carrying what police describe as an “ar type weapon” are irrelevant to the case is insane however.

Thankfully Texas just made it easier to get a weapon so everything should sort itself out I guess.....

People will eventually start paying attention.
One their family member, friend, or acquaintance is murdered and politicians shrug.
Texas will turn blue.
And we won’t have to have this conversation again.

 

I did not say anything of the sort. you must have misread-misunderstood my post.

 

Threads in current events must have links.

 

Oh yes even I did not notice that.

 

6 Dead After ‘Routine’ Traffic Stop Leads To Motorist Shooting Up Midland And Odessa — Here’s The 411
https://clashdaily.com/2019/09/6-de...shooting-up-midland-and-odessa-heres-the-411/

Shooting In West Texas Leaves 8 Dead Including Gunman, 20 More Injured
According to the Washington Post, police pulled him over for not signaling while making a left turn.
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/09/241929/shooting-midland-odessa-texas-suspect-motvie

 

Are you claiming dems want to disarm America?

 

He had no open warrants and his 19 year old misdemeanor wouldn't raise an eyebrow. The traffic stop for not signaling probably made him paranoid. I bet this guy is a serial killer or something similar.

 

No, they would never do that.

Just some sanity

 

Here is a link - https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/31/us/odessa-texas-active-shooter/index.html

 

Never? Funny.

 

Some sanity would be a welcome change here on this issue. We've had three mass shootings in the past month--two in Texas. Yet, Texas passed laws making getting guns even easier starting 9/1/19. How does that help anything? Gun enthusiasts want Americans everywhere to risk their very lives in order to protect & preserve gun enthusiast's rights to own automatic weapons that have no purpose other than killing human beings. It would be hard to identify anything more insane.

 

https://nypost.com/2019/09/01/texas-mass-shooter-threatened-neighbor-shot-animals-from-roof-report/

This guy was a model citizen, a genius, and most likely a pillar in his church. Seth Ator was reported to the police by a neighbor last month for threatening her with a rifle. She claims that he would sit on his roof at night and shoot animals. He lived in a place that was not identified with GPS coordinates is why she says the police could not find his place. That sounds fishy. She claimed that his place did not have running water nor electrify. She also said the he slept in his car during. Wow what a story.

Still there does not appear to be enough to take away his weapons even temporarily. Would red flag laws have helped here? Don't know.

PS I cannot believe that the police were not able to locate his place.

 

I had wondered if his last name Ator was MiddleEastern But lo and behold it is very likely from U.K. source or maybe German.

 

Another anti-police quack...likely listened to tok much Chris Matthews telling him his a victim

 

Holy Fornication? Chris Mathews made him do this? Who knew what power there is in playing Hard Ball.

So this guy only shot police? So that 17 month old baby he shot at must be the youngest rookie policewoman in Texas.

 

Nope of course there are others he shot...all started because of a run in the the law though.

 

https://usdailyreport.com/2019/09/0...aaron-texas-mary-granados-motives_n_2668.html

Look at his eyes in both photos on the link, I wonder if they will publish the toxicology screening. I read just now he has a criminal history and failed a background check to buy a gun. Could this be a Fast and Furious gun that made it's way back into the US from Mexico and sold illegally?

 

OMG false equivalencies and subjectively framed assertions purported as fact - what a hoot to read, lol... Hey if you fundamentally think that curtailing legal gun ownership somehow keeps the citizenry safer - I salute your prerogative to have & trumpet that opinion. I'm sure the 'bad actors' in our society will comply with EXISTING & any future draconian gun legislation at the same rate as their law abiding counterparts... Surely the criminal element wouldn't be emboldened by or exploit a lopsided firearms advantage in carrying out their evil intent...

Quite frankly though, all the above is tertiary at best to the imperative n' original intent of the 2nd Amendment.

 

It's much more likely he listened to the NRA telling him that same message.

 

The NRA doesn’t advocate shooting police.

 

1. I DO think new, more restrictive gun regulations would help with this social crisis. When automatic weapons were outlawed during the 1990s, there was far less mass shootings than now. The more legislators have opened up gun rights, the higher the murder rates have gone. There's a distinct correlation. Most Americans support the 2nd Amendment, so long as it's safe & rational. But the NRA has taken safe & rational to extremist territories over the past several decades, & they are no longer either. Too many innocent Americans, including women & children, have died in an insane drive to keep the 2nd Amendment open to any form of weapon ever made. Such extremist insanity is totally inappropriate for any society, including America.
2. The 2nd Amendment is still valid even if regulations limit the TYPE of gun to single shot rifles. Automatic & many semi-automatic guns need to be restricted to a higher degree, & certainly EVERY gun sale needs to have background checks, whether in a store or in the private market, & anyone disregarding those requirements--both buyers & sellers--should be subject to heavy fines &/or incarceration. The current status quo is entirely unacceptable.

 

I didn't see any mention of anyone advocating shooting police in this discussion. Where did you come up with it?

 

I agree not on this thread

 

How about you give it another stab, lol...

- use you 'google box' to look up the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as "McClure-Volkmer").
- figure out the difference between semiautomatic, automatic, & select fire semi / auto ~ deduce what an "assault rifle" actually is.
- grapple with the possibility that there might be multitudinous factors contributing toward an end result (i.e. less homogeneous society), (societal evolution of moral underpinnings), (family structure devolution/evolution), (pharmacological & intervention medicine trends) etc. etc.

P.S. It's probably not the best idea to use absolutist terminology when expounding on complex, nuanced & multifaceted issues, lol...