Rue, Britannia <<Moderator's Warning Issued>>

Leave means leave.

 

That's kinda the point.
No deal is even worse so we should remain.

 

UK doesn't make actions in real policy, they make fake policy which comes to media and attracts public attention, but in fact all these moves are senseless and useless. This is quite disappointing, because lots of british people are good-natured and talented. They don't deserve to stay in the arena of this circus. But I don't see any possibility for the UK to recover in short-mid term perspectives. UK is obviously falling. And I only wish that during this fall only the money and not the lives are lost.

 

What about those people (nearly a half) who are against of it? Will they just put up with this decision?

The problem is that UK's government divided the people and that ruined all the possibilities for development. UK could do on its own. UK could stay in EU. Having a goal a decent development could have been implemented by the UK society. But at the moment UK CAN'T develop, because there is no common goal. Any of the choices have pros and contras. UK will have to face problems on any of these ways. And having come into a problem more than a half of population will block the development anyway! It's a deadlock, a trap. And correct me if I was wrong but from the very beginning referendum was planned to provide some PM (don't remember his name) with political authority. His personal failure became a national one. And only due to the reason that he lied asking his people for the support. There was no actual plan for Brexit. There was a plan for political propaganda campaign. It's awful.

 

On the contrary, I emphatically support you extrajudicially kicking them out 7 weeks before they leave anyway. It will hasten the decline of your evil empire.

Your choice. They leave now or in 7 weeks. In either case I'm a happy chappy

 

That is no longer a possibility.

 

As you will see in 7 short weeks.

 

My evil empire? With all due respect, the big brit elites get german passports to stay in EU personally. It cant be that bad.

 

The big Brit City of London elites are firmly in the remain camp, almost unanimously.

 

You mean likemthe dyson guy who made much pr for pro brexit, then moved his business out and got german passport?

 

I am happy to criticise his conduct with you.

 

and Hedge Funds run Leave

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/07/11/boris-brexit-and-the-hedge-funds-part-1/
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/07/22/boris-brexit-and-the-hedge-funds-part-2/

 

You are going to look silly when another extension is granted.

 

We shall see. I would note that I was consistently bearish on the prospects of Brexit actually happening. Check my post history from June 23, 2016. It is only recently when it has become apparent that there is no path to remain that I have changed my view.

Do you see a path to remain at thia point? How? Parliament has 12 sitting days in total left before Oct 31, the House of Lords is stalling with 90 amendments, Tories have a big advantage in any election. Where does remain come from? Where does an extention come from? The EU is against it, the Germans are talking about kicking the UK out with extrajudicial means.

An extention is a concession by the EU that their bargaining position is trash

 

Schadenfreude (lit. 'harm-joy') is the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.

After May's futile travails in pursuit of a less cataclysmic excision, her expression following BoJo's ignominious pratfall is quite understandable.

 

The Tories don't have a big advantage in an election.
With no exit the Brexit party will put up a candidate for every seat and split the vote on the right. This will result in Tories being unable to take advantage of Labour's unpopularity as was shown in the recent by-election.
The most likely outcome is a hung Parliament and a Labour, SNP, Lieberal coalition which will increase the chances of a second referendum.
Only 1/3rd of the public favour a no-deal Brexit when given all 3 choices in polls. Roughly 1/3rd support each of the other 2 options (deal or remain).
In binary leave or remain polls remain has a clear lead (around 55/45).
There is no mechanism for the EU to throw the UK out without a deal agreed by all 27 member states.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...6286/tory-peers-launch-bid-block-no-deal-bill

 

That seems to me to be a dreadfully wishful assumption on the Brexit party. Completely against his self interest. I imagine if a snap election was held in the coming weeks, given the position of Johnson today I find it exceedingly unlikely that Farage will jettison Brexit to stroke his ego.

Historically Farage has always run parties that pressure the Tories into adopting his policy platform. The threat of his involvement is always there to keep the Tories in line. It makes no sense to run against someone demanding no deal.

Indeed, I seriously doubt the Brexit Party will do anywhere near as well as they did in the EU electio s without May as Conservative Leader.

 

Johnson criticised for using Etonian sexism

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-johnson-appears-to-insult-corbyn-during-pmqs

This came after he was strongly criticised for his derogatory and racist comments on Muslim women something he appeared to justify by telling the Sikh who was calling him on this to look into Labour's 'antisemitism'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...pologise-for-muslim-women-letterboxes-article

 

I was reading people talking about this on another forum. They were talking about how the Tories had their extreme and Labour had theirs but they were the centrists and wanted power back and I think that is one of the problems. I remember reading an article a week or so ago where they were saying these people, the ones who have done well out of the current neo liberalism have found a purpose in 'remain'...but I do not think a way back.

Neo liberalism capitalism is not working. The 2008 crash showed us that and the 'centrists' have been denying it ever since till we are now, everyone says, on the edge of a far more destructive one from which there is no easy way out. In such a situation we have seen before the left and the extreme right become stronger for different reasons. Sadly it is the extreme right that usually win as they combine with Corporate Power which is why Corbyn whose interest is to bring us again to a time when we had democracy, when we believed in giving people an equal opportunity, when people had a say in how their government is run and when at the least Capitalism is regulated is much more scary to these people who call themselves 'centrists' than the hard right.

How many of Jeremy Corbyn's policies do you actually disagree with?

There is no question our way of life is going to have to change because of the climate emergency. I guess it just depends on whether we are wanting Corporate Power or everyone to benefit.

 

Couple of misconceptions here.
First of all an election before the current deadline to leave is extremely unlikely as Boris needs a two thirds majority in the Commons to call an early election.
Secondly, Boris has said publicly that is not his goal to leave with no deal. In fact he has said the opposite and that he is using the threat of no deal to force concessions out of the EU so we can leave with a deal. The EU has stated that there have been no new proposals put forward and they cannot compromise on the Irish border problem. Which is the real sticking block.
Farage has stated in the last few days that if no deal is not achieved by the current deadline he will put up candidates in all 650 seats. It is unclear whether he could actually find 650 candidates to put up though.

 

and the basic philosophy which Corbyn wants to follow - 'for the many not the few'- is exactly how we worked after WW2 and was built on the lessons we learnt from the economic situation which ended in WW2. Obviously different time different needs and that is particularly so with the climate emergency, but for neo liberals to believe this is extreme when their way was one which by its very nature would lead to ever increasing extremes in wealth and poverty and it was known from previous experience that this would be so, needs some thinking.

 

Don't think German politics is going to remain boring. I think it's going to get very exciting very soon.
How long will it be before the CDU has to admit the Af D into a coalition?

 

I never knew the British hated the Irish, I thought it was just the other way around. I believe the injustice of Britain in settling the Scotch Protestants in Northern Ireland and not allowing the Catholics to be land owners is now haunting them with Brexit.

What-a mistake-a they make-a then.

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The big Brits such as in the City of London are not Brits in sentiment and heritage and that is where the problem lies. Their agenda runs contrary to the British who do not want a liberal one world system controlled by globalist bankers and corporations.

Soros' is the front runner in the anti Brexit propaganda and I have a suspicion his NGO's are stirring up the Irish as well as others. I'm not sure though I'm just guessing.