Should people have a right to sleep on city streets?

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Should people have a right to sleep on city streets?

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  2. No

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  1. Gary/Dubya

    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    In major cities, I'd expect areas under elevated highways, bridges and other non use land for the tent types.

    I'd be wanting to know just how and why the person ended up in the city and what reasons are there to remain. I imagine the conditions can vary, because some cities have abandoned houses.

    I've always owned my sidewalks and haven't had one that is part of the street. In fact, my property line is the middle of the road.
     
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  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You didn't say what jethro vocabulary was. And what do you mean you "owned" your sidewalks?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh? What level are you speaking on?
    Excuse me but it is you who is being RIDICULOUS.

    1. GENERAL PROBLEM: Homelessness
    2. GENERAL PROBLEM: How to reduce homelessness
    3. YOUR PROBLEM: Understanding that allowing the homeless to exist within the law will not make homelessness disappear but it will keep the homeless from becoming criminals for something that is not their fault while some useless politicians find a way to reduce homelessness.
     
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  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Are you under the impression that when homeless people are charged with a crime, it is simply because they are homeless? As in a law against homelessness?
     
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    Did you not understand any part of my reply or only that one?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're never going to catch your tail no matter how hard you try.

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  7. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with you but it is unnecessary to bring Trump into it. The problem with homelessness is not a Trump thing. He didn't invent it. It is a "wool-over-the-eyes" diversion to keep the population doing exactly what you say in your last paragraph (below) .... Democrats - Republicans. Rightists - Leftists. Liberals - Moderates. It's all bullshyt.
    Well said.
    It is the American version of Capitalism. It's sort of a "divide and rule" mentality.
     
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    Empathy is beyond most conservatives.
     
  9. Thingamabob

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    I am from Sweden. In my country, we have something called "Allemansrätten" - which gives a person the right to access, walk, cycle, ride, ski, and camp on any land—with the exception of private gardens. In the U.S. you have something called "tresspassing" - which is so bad that you can be shot dead over it.
    No, we are talking about the homeless and whether or not "they should have a right to sleep on city streets".
     
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    Isnt it kind of the height of cruelty to take someone who has almost no belongings to begin with and throw them in the trash? That just seems unnecessarily cruel to me.
     
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    Just the "not for profit organisation" part. City parks and forests are state owned, so it makes sense that the government give people guaranteed jobs within those contexts.
     
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    And you're never going to know what the hell you're talking about so I'll just tell you - when homeless people are charged with a crime, it is NOT simply because they are homeless. It is because they are illegally camping in an area that isn't allowed to be camped on.
     
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    They collected all the stuff and put it in a big pile, then they cut down the trees and bushes. A week later, they came back and collected all the remaining stuff, and hauled it off.

    They gave them a week to take what they wanted. They didn't take much. It was mostly just a big pile of trash.
     
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    You don't need to understand everything. Jus be satisfied that you did learn something.
    Read the title of the thread ..... "Should people have a right to sleep on city streets?"

    You're just chasing your tail and trying to squirm out of a tight spot by double-talking. You backed yourself into it so you're stuck with it.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Apparently, going by what I posted above, in Sweden, the answer to that question is "NO".
     
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    First of all, this is my city and the captions under the photos are incorrect. But never mind.

    I know both places well. They were squatted by gipsies, mostly from Romania and Bulgaria. They are actually breaking EU law but my government is too much of a ***** to nail those people to the wall.

    According to EU rules, a citizen of one EU nation has a right to seek employment in any other EU nation, no work permit is necessary. Union members (as most people in Europe are) have a limited time to seek work in another EU country (3 months I think it still is) and then if they have not succeeded in procuring a job they must return home if they want to continue receiving national union benefits. In Sweden, it is necessary to actively seek employment and it is usually required to prove that you have been active. These gipsies, however, prefer to beg on street corners rather than to seek work. Time runs out and they are supposed to return to their home country. The gipsies prefer to remain here. They are breaking the law. I was happy to see they were tossed out of those two places but they remain on street corners begging. As I said my government is too much of a *****. There is much discussion to make begging illegal in Sweden and a few smaller communities have changed the law so that it is illegal. So far Malmö hasn't grown any testicle, however, but at least they ran the gipsies out of their squatting. Instead, each city has been providing them with housing. Don't ask me why we don't throw them out of our country. They haven't worked or paid any tax so I see no reason not to boot them out.
     
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    You are wrong. The answer is "YES". But squatting is illegal. The photo you provided is of a privately-owned piece of land and the other place mentioned in the article is a public park.
     
  19. Gary/Dubya

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    I only brought up tRump because taking these extreme views and lying to support them is so common place now with all issues.

    People who want to act like true Christians and help others keep getting told they are wrong. Can't they figure out I believe they are wrong. I can't understand how Evangelical Christians support such heartlessness. They act like I want to help others to get their votes as if doing something in an unselfish way is beyond their comprehension.
     
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    Who's squirming now?
     
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    They are the new scum.
     
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    You're not making sense.
     
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    No because the key word here is "most" so that means not everyone will tire of the conditions that they are living under.
     
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    Not only will MOST not tire of it, more will join them.
     

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