Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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Exactly. For some reason, they think scary unknown to them stuff like, special and general relativity and quantum mechanics backs religion because it too is scary unknown. Nothing could be farther from the truth. We .have 30,000 particle accelerators all around the globe gather hard evidence on modern science. Just because it’s scary unknown to religious fanatics, doesn’t make it back up the scary unknown they feel of religion. As yet, god has not appeared in one accelerator; and he/she has had plenty of chance.

 

got any proof of that?

yes and thanks to tecoyah for starting this thread proving beyond a shadow of a doubt neoatheists have an empty cup, nothing more than boat load of lack not only belief but their atheology as well, and also their complete lack of any ability to actually address and answer any questions more serious than 2 digit simpleton 'lack', yes we know noeatheist lack, a lot. This thread has been the best comedy neoatheists have providied thus far, to the point real atheists got fed up with all the bullshit and left.

Now that hilarious!

 

Smear it good so as to ignore the double slit experiment. Nice rhetorical answer. Relegate quantum physics to the Newtonian level.

 

To which he replies, another disjointed rambling.

 

I didn't state that this reality is stale.

Such as? Physics is physics, so let's try to unversion it.

 

More woo woo. Without Newtonian physics, there would be no awareness of anything else. They co exist. You do know where the word “quantum” comes from. Just because you don’t understand the how a cell phone works, does not prove anything spiritual including existence of God.
Are you upset at atheists because they don’t beleive in any god, or your god ?

 

Not that I have any expectation that the woo woo believers will read and/or comprehend the following article but this is a good explanation of what is actually happening during the double slit experiment.

https://medium.com/predict/the-doub...quantum-consciousness-connection-ee8384a50e2f

 

These are the same people who assigned a god to everything they didn’t understand, and they are still doing it.

 

Acknowledgement of subjective physical reality and its significance is not wishful thinking.

Stale and obsolete because what it takes to address the God issue is out of their league. The responses show just how much they rely on beating around the bush.

I don't have a traditional belief in God and don't offer one, since God is outside our space-time. If you're trying to pry an answer out of a true believer, you'll have to look elsewhere.

 

So, your god occupies a space, just outside of anything you don’t understand. Sounds like a moving target. Instead of making up a deity, why not say, “I don’t know.”

So now you’re saying what, any spiritual person is preferred over an atheist ? Even those who use religion to pry money out of another believer’s bank account ?

 

They're using a method that's invalid in comparison to a proper double slit experiment. The electron has already gone through the slit and it's being hit by a photon. As would be expected, the electron waveform collapses. That's unavoidable and it's too late for conscious observation/awareness to cause the collapse because it has already happened. Claiming that this is proof of the presence or absence of conscious awareness having no effect is a BIG FAIL.

In the link: the idea that consciousness can... affect particles in the double-slit experiment, must be false. WRONG​

And: the idea that consciousness can exist away from the brain... must be false. WRONG. People report seing themselves undergoing surgery from a position outside of their bodies. Remote viewers have successfully conducted mental spy missions crossing enemy lines.

Assessing the claim that conscious observation can alter matter? That's a stretch. It's not part of the valid form of the experiment. Suggesting that the implementation of physical reality has a mind factor is a different story.

 

Thank you for proving that I was correct!

 

My bold. Religion is a good business model, no doubt about it, provided you're unscrupulous.

 

God can't normally occupy a space, since He is outside of our space-time reality. That's why He is also timeless. Time began when space-time was created (at the moment of the Big Bang). His signature handiwork is here, in this world and universe. Do I really know this for any certainty? No, it's a plausible assessment drawing on a mix a concrete facts, science, philosophy, religion, scriptures, archeology, logic, and abstract concepts.

Standards of ethics and morality should apply equally whether spiritual/religious/agnostic/atheist. Those with a belief tendency have sense enough not to cling to the tunnel vision of atheism. Been there myself. Contrary to what Spock said, Live long and learn long, else you're running a false errand, with or without prosperity.

 

Why, did I miss something in not more carefully scrutinizing the details?

 

Yes, you did!

Your fallacious woo woo hypothesis was TESTED and it FAILED because there is NO EVIDENCE of SPONTANEOUS waveform collapse in the double slit experiment.

 

You're using this blanket woo woo label very loosely. I don't see where the presence or absence of Newtonian physics is a relevant issue.

There can't be proof of anything spiritual or the existence of God, except as inference instead of proof, and inference is not based on awe of functions that are not understood.

I'm not upset because they stick their heads in the sand like an ostrich. It gives me something to point out, and a chance to test my grasp of the issues.

 

Yes only to get more of the same neoatheist 'lack' instead of answers, what doesnt a neoatheist lack?

 

Very wrong. This whole article is loaded with obfuscations and misleading statements. With a bit of work, I can provide analysis of all of them, but for now let's focus on the one above, which comes out of:

An unavoidable consequence of the fact that we can’t detect or protect our experiment from incursions and interactions by disembodied consciousness is that we should expect that there would be occasions in which the wavefunction collapses for no discernible reason.

It would be as if we’d attempted to gather which way information with the later addition of a photon source and a conscious observer, despite us doing no such thing. If the QC hypothesis were true we would expect to see random wavefunction collapses. This has never been shown to happen. The results of the double-slit experiment are consistent. Researchers don’t record spontaneous wavefunction collapse.

It didn't test any such thing. It's just a wild, open-ended conclusion based on the assumption that wandering incorporeal minds should do this. The scientific method requires controls in experiments. There none for this aspect, unless considering the use of psychics, drug-induced altered states of consciousness, clairvoyants, remote viewers, or perhaps telekinesis. Besides, my post doesn't equate undetectable programming with "disembodied consciousness." It's like saying that there can't be a remote Creator because he doesn't prevent airliner disasters.

Also, I don't like the way the article substitutes general observation or general measurement for conscious awareness of measured or recorded data.

 

There is a hidden meaning in there some where. Let’s just say, anyone who jumps on the “hidden meaning” bandwagon without imperical evidence, can’t be trusted.

The last thing I want is a surgeon who prays before performing surgery instead of consulting all the evidence supplied by Pre opt. It’s no different then any scientific venture. We play out this “faith vs evidence” scenario thousands of times a day in medical treatments, auto maintenance and retail purchases and investments all over the country. Success always follows the scientific method. Your ramblings just don’t hold water.

 

Newtonian physics is used continuously in the work with quantum theory as a comparative, explanatory and co existing view of physics. You can still hurt yourself when you fall and then use a cell phone to call for help. They work hand in hand in the real world. What world do you live in ?

Glad you admit you can’t prove a god’s existence with imperical evidence.

Lastly, it’s believers who stick their heads in the sand. They have less to contribute to the betterment of mankind the instant they invoke the existence of a god that uses mankind as a pet and considers all other life forms as non essential.

 

You don't like any of it because it DEBUNKS your woo woo nonsense!

YOUR woo woo hypothesis FAILS when TESTED against the real world evidence of scientists all around the world conducting the double slit experiment. There is not a single instance of YOUR woo woo hypothesis occurring, not one! If there was any merit to your woo woo hypothesis the results of the double slit experiment would be INCONSISTENT over that many experiments.

The Scientific Method was applied to your woo woo hypothesis and it FAILED and your personal dislikes are irrelevant to the Scientific Method.

 

FALSE: you have a right to post as much lack as you want even scientific method proves the lack to be bullshit.

If a long life is what you’re after, going to church may be the answer to your prayers.

A number of studies have shown associations between attending religious services and living a long time. One of the most comprehensive, published in JAMA Internal Medicine in 2016, found that women who went to any kind of religious service more than once a week had a 33% lower chance than their secular peers of dying during the 16-year study-follow-up perio

https://time.com/5159848/do-religious-people-live-longer/

Tell us why anyone would want to buy into the lack, the neoatheists atheology?

The longer this thread goes the more the neo's bury themselves in the hearts and minds of readers after coming out here and trumpeting the lack, what they dont know. Now feel free make up some strawman **** why neo's dont like the study!

 

That’s hilarious. Did you actually read the articles ? Religious people who attend a Temple, mosque or church. So, whose god is helping us live longer ? If you’re going to go down this street, answer that question. Exactly what do you have to believe in ? Cows, Christ or Mohammed ?

 

You’re really grabbing at straws.
This is only in the United States where overall life expectancy is depressed by lack of universal health care.
”...secular populations definitely live much longer than residents of highly religious countries. Examples include Sweden (life expectancy of 81 years) and Japan (life expectancy of 82 years) where residents outlive more religious Americans (78.5 years).”