I am sure it had to do with what you suggest! As though the same, or worse, can't happen to any other victim of such abuse (including a man, which would be a lot more typical) and abuses by law enforcement only happen in Muslim countries! The person you are referring to, incidentally, is this guy -- and while unlike you, I can't give definitive opinions about anyone's actual guilt without being privy to the facts of a case, I can say that he was subsequently arrested and banned from serving in public office for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_Mortazavi Saeed Mortazavi (Persian: سعید مرتضوی, born 1967) is an Iranian conservative politician, former judge and former prosecutor. He was prosecutor of the Islamic Revolutionary Court, and Prosecutor General of Tehran, a position he held from 2003 to 2009.[1] He has been called as "butcher of the press" and "torturer of Tehran" by some observers.[2] Mortazavi has been accused of the torture and death in custody of Iranian-Canadian photographer Zahra Kazemi by the Canadian government[2] and was named by 2010 Iranian parliamentary report as the man responsible for abuse of dozens and death of three political prisoners at Kahrizak detention center in 2009.[3] He was put on trial in February 2013 after a parliamentary committee blamed him for the torture and deaths of at least three detainees who participated in the protests against President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's reelection.[4] On 15 November 2014, he was banned from all political and legal positions for life.
Leaving aside the fact that my training teaches me not to prejudge a case based on hearsay and things I don't know from personal knowledge, let me ask if victims of police abuse and brutality have it better in the US? Not only the number of such abuses in the US are many times more than in Iran (even based on numbers from groups like HRW which do have an anti-Iran bias), how often are those guilty of such abuse even brought to trial? Even when so many prisoners die in US prisons without a clear reason? Anyway, we are getting far away from the topic of this thread. In Yemen, a genocide has been taking place with direct US and Western support for the Saudi coalition carrying out this genocide. We aren't talking about some isolated cases (this one from many years ago) and which I would immediately be able to pick up even through vague comments about it by you. We are talking about huge numbers of innocent people dying as a result of a campaign which had US support and assistance from its inception.
One shithole country is bombing another shithole country. Why do we care from our North American continent?
I don't know about you, but in Iran, we care because we are reminded by our tradition and culture that: Human Being are like parts of a body, created from the same essence. When one part is hurt and in pain, the others cannot remain in peace and be quiet; If the misery of others leaves you indifferent, with no feeling of sorrow; then you can't be called a human being. Sa'adi (1184-1283/1291) Persian poet ...Poem on Humanity The problem with people like you, just like the Wahhabis and ISIS folks you are horrified with, is that ultimately you are both uncivilized and lack a proper cultural upbringing. Western civilization has strong and quite redeeming qualities to be sure, but you don't represent those qualities. You represent, instead, the ideas and views from the Dark Ages in the West. Not that an uncultured bunch can't have power; as with the Mongols who swept across Irano-Islamic civilization, destroying all they could find in its path, and who ruled over the largest empire in history without leaving anything for anyone to remember them by except for the death and destruction they brought, even the uncivilized and uncultured will eventually become civilized and cultured. After all, while it took a while, even those Mongols eventually became patrons of the very Iranian civilization they had tried so hard to destroy!
Wrong. (The Independent) Saudi Arabia government ‘funded dry run' for 9/11, legal documents claim (The New York Times) Evidence of Financial Links Between Saudi Royal Family and Al Qaeda (The Independent) Turkey and Saudi Arabia alarm the West by backing Islamist extremists the Americans had bombed in Syria (Haaretz) Saudi Arabia Doesn't Defeat Al-Qaida Terrorists - They Bribe Them to Stop Fighting (The Intercept) BBC Protects U.K.’s Close Ally Saudi Arabia With Incredibly Dishonest and Biased Editing Al Qaeda is a Saudi proxy. It's not even debatable at this point. Prove it.
Since those oil fields are in Saudi Arabia, I'm not sure why or how you expect the Saudis to "give them back".
We care because the Trump administration insists on involving us in it, even though our representatives in congress expressly voted against it.
To be sure, like you, I am against states involving themselves in affairs of other states on the basis of things they claim they "care about". Not only such foreign intervention, even when truly inspired by such "caring", often does more harm than good, but it is very clear much of the things America claims to "care about" are simply things it uses as propaganda to push towards the real things it cares about instead. But I don't agree that people of conscious should also be careless about what goes on everywhere. Caring about the plight of those who are being slaughtered and murdered is natural and human. It is inhuman to be so affected by hateful ideologies that dehumanize others to make people easily dismiss such suffering and make the comments (byThedimon) I responded to. We just have to learn to care, without feeling such caring gives us license to do things for which we have no such license. To be equally sure, no one is under any "obligation" to care, but nothing wrong (and plenty of good) in those who care and try to do good things to help those who are affected by such acts of genocide and brutality as the poor people in Yemen. In the case of the US, and the American people, however, there is more than that. People should care because the genocide is being committed by a major US ally, in coalition with a bunch of other US allies, in a war which the US is involved with both directly and indirectly in a myriad of ways. In other words, the crimes of the Saudis in this case isn't just on them. It is also on the American government too.
Lol, none of those article prove saudi government involvement in 9/11. As any saudi government officials been arrested and deported like so many iranian officials did? You are free kiss the mullahs ass, me I still say ****'em. In fact if we ever come to the conclusion that to save the world we should reduce the human population, you have my vote to start with every muslim nation on earth.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Proves nothing. So you have no proof that Iran is responsible for a single terrorist attack on western soil. Thanks. What a vile statement. Truly despicable.
While I agree that Yemen is a failure and another black stain on our ME policy ( as in fighting on the same side as the Islamist Extremists - the Al Qaeda side) Trump did not start that mess. What a novel idea though (sarcasm) - we should have done this 4 years ago back in 2015 when this conflict started ... but hey - when Saudi Arabia calls - we come running. Unless of course we had other objectives - (bad Iran is expanding) - in which case it is even worse. What difference does it make whether or not its the Saudi style Salafist Islamist extremism - the one that Saudi Arabia has been promoting around the world for decades ... arming and supporting these groups ... or the extremists that Iran supports ? Sunni groups who follow ideology El Saud are - Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, ISIS, Al Qaeda, the nut jobs in Pakistan - and India and in various other places. The Islamist that have taken over Libya. Iran we have the Houthis and Hezbollah/ Hamas. The Saud inspired groups are far worse.
Thanks but no thanks. If Iran was just merely better than the barbarism of Saudi Arabia, but anything like you seem to imagine, I wouldn't even bother! The truth about Iran is not what you imagine. And I realize you are basically an anti-war, anti-establishment, kind of poster here. p.s. To be sure, the comparison might have had some validity before, in the first couple of decades after the revolution. Today, with Iran having changed dramatically within its society, the comparisons are like comparing apples with oranges.
If you read my post carefully - I make zero comment on the degree of barbarism... no comment on the Houthis - and none on Hezbollah/Hamas. I simply state that we are on the wrong side of the conflict. You have to keep in mind the audience ... and the degree of sophisticated mind control that average Joe is under - baby steps.
It's true. Trump did not start this. But he chooses to continue it, over the objections of the congress.
Some objection in congress - can't speak what percentage but would be interesting to know, but - I agree either way it is a continuation of bad/nasty/evil policy. I mean objectively .. what is there to like about this policy. UN has accused El Saud of war crimes how many times now.. lost count. Huge starvation due to blockaids .. outbreaks of desease and .. just ****ing chaos. The place (Yemen) is a hotbed of radical Islamist activity - how many drone strikes did we do there ? https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/projects/drone-war/yemen couldn't fine a stat but its high Afghanistan and Yemen have pretty much been the drone training ground. Perhaps that is our point .. we need a good testing ground for drone technology. That might be something to like to some in a warped sort of way. Not much else. The thing not to like - is that in one of the main hotbeds for radical Islamist activity ... we are on the side of the radical Islamists .. on any objective relative scale.
A majority of the congress (247 to 175 and 54 to 46) voted against our involvement in Yemen. Trump vetoed them.
Interesting - The writing is on the Yemen wall - and it has likely become so obvious that there will be negative backlash down the road that many of the interests no longer want a part of this party and want to get while the getting is good - and later try to salvage some reputation.
The same thing keeps happening, we stop "supporting" one side or the other and the whole thing ends up going to hell. Does this mean we have basically been funding separates and creating conflict for the last thirty years? The NeoCons and Clinton type Democrats are all to blame for this going back thirty years. There is a reason we have been lead by the same family friendship since 92, a guy who was the Director of the CIA I might add with a long relationship with Clinton. We have been duped people, but not for long. The Jimmy Dore Progressives and the Trump Conservatives agree on this point and Pro War Democrats will be severely hit after the 2020 loss. Expect Tusli Gabbard to make a STRONG run in 2024, taking tons of Trump voters (possibly myself if she chills on her sometimes socialism style talk) .... IF she can wrestle power away from the current, Pro War, Clinton/Warren/Biden style Democrats. But I promise you one thing, no way in heck these people let Sanders win this Primary, that would cut the war con right there.
While various groups which were cheer leaders and active supporters of the Saudi war against Yemen's Houthis are now desperately searching for ways to find a face saving way for the Saudis to extricate themselves from the conflict, reports from the war front show the Saudis suffering one setback after another. And unless all the money the Saudis are spending on their military is for pure junk, you have to wonder about the effectiveness of US supplied air defenses systems when some of the most prized installations in Saudi Arabia are struck and set ablaze by Houthi drones. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/14/major-saudi-arabia-oil-facilities-hit-by-drone-strikes Major Saudi Arabia oil facilities hit by Houthi drone strikes
Houthis are claiming responsibility for the drones which just take a huge percentage of Saudi Arabian oil off the world market.The exploding drones inflicted heavy damage throughout the Saudi oil fields and refineries.
The Saudis are having a bad week all around Besides this drone attack by the Houthis, which was spectacularly effective, a couple of days ago they noticed a figure they have courted with lots of money (a lot) to steer him in their direction, and who had been seen bad mouthing Iran, suddenly appear in Tehran and photographed as shown below! Some of you might not know what the photograph depicts, but it shows one-time firebrand Iraqi shia leader, Muqutada Al Sadr, who most recently had been traveling to Saudi Arabia and talking a lot against "Iranian interference" in Iraqi politics, sitting next to Iran's General Soleymani and on the floor below Iran's Supreme Leader during Ashura ceremonies in Tehran! I was as surprised as anyone when I saw this https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/09/iraq-iran-sadr-khamenei-qasem-soleimani.html
