Tulsi Gabbard

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  1. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that it is not possible, perhaps not even in theory, to predict the future behavior of people, no matter how much we know in detail about how people think now. The nomination of Donald Trump and then his victory should be proof of that.

    We can make general predictions, but only very general ones. I believe that the Left, working hard to dissolve the threads that hold society together, will eventually succeed in causing some sort of social catastrophe in the United States. The actual set of events which bring down the system will probably happen because of some endogenous factors, like defeat in a military confrontation with a stronger China (something that is inevitable) or a great economic shock, to which capitalism is periodically subject. Race wars, which are so common in other countries, will almost certainly be involved.

    But that's just a general prediction and it could be wrong. In any case the exact details are impossible to predict.

    And in the meantime, we have to do what we can to slow it down. That means thinking outside the box, and being alert for unexpected opportunities. See 'the bridge at Remagen' for a military example. Such an opportunity is presented by Major Gabbard and I am cheered up by how many conservatives are willing to think about supporting her.
     
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    Tulsi had little to no chance due to the way democrats choose primary participants.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes ... there are probably about ten million Democrats who would happily strangle the DNC. And Mr Trump's victory showed that there are probably an equal number of Republicans who are not in love with the RNC.

    If we take a step or two back from the events of day to day politics and look below the surface, what we see are tens of millions of ordinary Americans -- the bottom two-thirds of society -- who are increasingly unhappy about the way their country has been going for the last couple of decades.

    Economically in terms of wages and job security, morally, in terms of declining moral values -- or their replacement with insane ideas -- and also in terms of foreign policy (meaningless foreign wars, unnecessary conflicts with other countries) -- they are profoundly unhappy. The same people are not agitated by the same things, necessarily.

    They don't all come out into the streets on mass marches. They may not even have a clear idea of what to do about it. But they are not happy -- add up everyone who voted for Sanders in the Democratic Primary, and everyone who voted for Trump in the Republican primary -- and you get a very formidable group of people.

    A Rightwing Koch brother and the Leftwing George Soros have just founded an organization to try to reorient American foreign policy.

    Now ... suppose some thinking-out-of-the-box Democrats and Republicans, in 2024, got together and ......

    Everything is possible.
     
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    Yes, though few are likely.
     
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    We really, really need a viable third party in this country.
     
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    huh, how do they choose primary participants?
     
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    Totally, totally agree with you. Unfortunately, we live in a society where freedom of choice and the free enterprise system(capitalism), are not always compatible. We live in a society, where any change to the status quo(corporate America), comes at a cost, or is consensus-driven over time. We live in a society where the value of corporate interests, out-way the value of our collective social interests. We live in a society fragmented, divided, and controlled by disinformation. We live in a quasi-Oligarchical/Plutocratic society, where special interest groups, corporate lobbyists, Hollywood/media actors, mainstream media, corporate donators, pay, or are paid, to give We the People the illusion that we play an important role at the policy table. Therefore, any third party system, would be characterized as a political and social pariah. Any third party candidate would be portrayed as a comic curiosity at best, and an unamerican weirdo at worse.

    What is truly sad, is how easy it is to control our freedoms, actions, and thoughts. Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, can easily be created over time. Simply tell people what they want to hear. Make them believe that it is about them personally. And, most importantly, make them believe that it is their own idea. Just a simple positive reinforcement loop, to avoid dissonance. The only power that Corporate America, and the top 5% are afraid of, and must pander to, is our right to vote. That is all we have in common with the Plutocracy. And, now we are just giving this power away. I believe that if mainstream media kept airing that Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates were all indorsing Donnie Bolena, the American people would simply convince themselves that this White Nationalists should be the right candidate to choose. Money is power, and power is money. Just ask Tom Steyer, who in just a few weeks, almost paid his way onto the debate stage?

    We live in a society that can "manufacture" choice. Until people themselves have a "sea-change" in intelligence, thoughts, and ideas, they will never be ready for any "sea-change" in social/foreign policies. Anyone that need to make excuses for any immoral acts, that blatantly undermines our Democracy, and usurps the Power of the People to choose which candidates should be heard, do not love the same Democracy that I believe in. All of our politicians together, can't even lower the price of petrol by even 50 cents. How do you expect them to solve immigration, climate change, gun violence, wasteful wars, healthcare, or the homeless crisis? Maybe in another four years, we can just keep doing this over and over again. Just like we have been doing for decades. When will we realize, that our concerns are only being pandered to with empty promises, with hype and glitz. Do we simply love our entertainment more than we do our reality?

    So when someone comes along with the simplest of all solutions to address our social needs, we simply reject it to protect the vested interests of Corporate America. We then vilify, smear, and discredit the solution, then attack the messenger for exposing it, or we re-affirm our loyalty to the corporate fiefdom. We don't have the same courage as she does, to stand up against the Establishment's SOP, to keep us distracted, passive, and to keep consuming. We are truly not ready to help ourselves, let alone help her to help us. Corporate America will continue to win, and we will continue to think we're right. Just another win-win for our corporate masters.
     
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    Sorry, I just had to pass this one on. You may not recognize the frog -- he's Pepe the Frog who for some reason has become, sort of, the symbol of the 'alt-right', apparently. It turns out even these people, or some of them, admire Tulsi, [they're mainly young men without college so I suppose, selfish things, they don't want to go to some stinking ... some place overseas and have their legs blown off ] which I suppose means that many people on the Left who might have considered her, will now faint and when they are revived, vote for some pro-War Democrat like Biden.

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    She is a threat to the dems real annointed one: Kamala. She calls her out for her BS. The last time the dems backed a clown that got ahead by giving head they won the presidency for two terms, so they want to repeat that strategy. Tulsi is the destroyer of Kamala so the DNC did everything possible to keep her off that stage. No surprise here.

    I have a question for liberals here, if you are a democrat and you actually have a job and contribute to society, then why would you vote for any one of the economic morons on the stage? You may vote yourself right in to a bread line if you are not careful.
     
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    What kind of post is this? liberals don't have jobs. And you may vote yourself into a place where there is no breadline
     
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    How is that done?
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have a look here, for starters.

    Then here.
     
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    Again, I don't see any effort to keep him off the ballot in any primary this time around. Who cares about 3 years ago, we are talking now and this elections cycle.
     
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    This is the true DNC, that you don't hear reported in mainstream news. This is how they can blatantly rig the nomination system. Pay close attention to the relevance of "neutrality" and "impartiality", in the rules and by-laws of the DNC. Is this the Democracy we want?

     
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    This is the difference between Tulsi Gabbard on climate change, and Elizabeth Warren on climate change. The first is the real package, and the second is the corporate package.




    Can you spot the real leader?
     
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    That would only be possible if the election process were entirely reformed.
     
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    Not necessarily. All we need is for about 15% nationwide to decide to vote only for every Libertarian candidate on the ballot next year.
    The average House race has a majority candidate who will exceed 60% next year. If he loses 15% to the Libertarian it still isn't close.
    If the hapless minority challenger loses 15% it's a close race for third.
    Once that happens in any district the local news departments can't ignore any future Libertarian candidate. That draws more attention and better prospects. Obviously that party is best suited to be the third party because the platform combines the laissez-faire business policies Republicans like and the laissez-faire morality Democrats enjoy.
    It could hit a third if the voters understand that and consider the options seriously.
     
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    Brave Democrat Tulsi Gabbard: “Unless a Woman’s Life or Severe Health Consequences Are at Risk – There Shouldn’t be Abortion in 3rd Trimester” (VIDEO)



    & we wonder why her Dem party & MSM sidelines her... (not that 3rd trimester isn't repugnant)
     
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    The good news is
    The DNC sabotage of Gabbard 2020
    will be a strength in 2024


    And 2024 there will be no GOP incumbent.
    Figurin' The DNC corruptions give "it" to Trump 2020
    and no unforeseen circumstances 2020 - 2024.


    Moi :oldman:





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    Not sure, but maybe the DNC doesn't want her to take-down other Dem candidates like she took-down Kamala Harris. Her take-down of Harris was a thing of beauty IMO.
     
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    So what are you suggesting, that we kill the mother instead( I apologize, if I have misunderstood you)? This decision should be decided by the mother, father, or close family members. Certainly not by anyone who will play zero role in raising the child. Tulsi is only being demonized because she represents the greatest threat to the status quo? Imagine, stopping all wasteful wars, shutting down military bases throughout the world, stop building weapons of mass destructions, bringing troops home, allowing countries to decide their own future, and using the trillions saved to address our urgent social needs. Imagine someone, that is so full of integrity, conviction, and principles, that they would step down as the vice-chair of the DNC to stand by their own beliefs. No other candidate has clearly demonstrated what they are willing to sacrifice for their beliefs. None except Tulsi.

    She is sidelined because her talent, experience, intelligence, and gravitas would stand out clearly among all the other corporate democrats on the debate stage. Anyone who attacks her, would be committing political suicide. Anyone she attacks with the truth, would be exposed for who they really are. The DNC and MSM sideline her because they saw what happened at the first two debates, and just how popular she became. She is far too dangerous to allow her voice to be heard nationally.

    I would have given my right arm to see a debate between Bernie and Tulsi. A domestic policy expert vs. a foreign policy and domestic policy expert. What a treat to see two honest people, who actually do give a s**t about the people. I would give my left arm to see a debate between Trump and Tulsi. This would be debate between a political and military leader vs a complete moron.

    We simply can't wait 4 more years. That would only mean more body bags(overseas and domestic) and heartaches, more homeless and unemployment, more sick-care system, and all other social issue left unaddressed. We simply can't wait. This is our last chance to save ourselves. I personally can't stand any politician. I think they are all social buzzards, and corporate bi**hes. But only Tulsi is the real deal. I can't find anything to fault in her policies, or her person. In fact, she is the only candidate, that is actually overqualified to be our next President. Are we so politically conditioned to the DNC's "dog and pony show", that we can no longer see the truth in front of our face.
     
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    She has strong appeal, in my opinion, on both the Left and the Right. One of the things about her that is appealing, is her character. Character is underrated in politics, partly because nowadays there is a whole industry devoted to teaching people how to fake it on TV. But she's the real deal.
     

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