Should people who cannot afford life saving treatments be left to die?

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Should people who cannot afford life saving treatments be left to die?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    80.0%
  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    A person shows up at the hospital with a life threatening condition.

    The person cannot afford to pay what so ever.

    Should that person be turned away, even though it will cost them their life?
     
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    A hospital is on the verge of declaring bankruptcy because of all the unpaid bills caused by non-paying patients. Treating one more unpaying customer will result in them closing their doors. Should they treat that one patient, thus causing many others to suffer without a hospital in the area?
     
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    Should the Democratic party be left to die ?

    Ir should it be allowed to mutate into socialism ?
     
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    Healthcare should be properly funded so this doesn't happen.
     
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    Or do we all become grave diggers under the GOP health plan?
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well at least they are shovel ready jobs.
     
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    You'll need a rock bar also..
     
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    NullSpot the Destroyter Well-Known Member

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    So you think healthcare should be funded by government? What limits would you accept on the quality of that care? In other words, would you expect the kind of heroic treatment we Americans think we deserve or a more scaled back approach that might end up with more people dying from lack of treatment, but it would be affordable.
     
  9. Turin

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    didnt your mother teach you not to answer a question with a question?
     
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    Since you didn't have the decency to include your opinion on your own question, I decided to do likewise with a question of my own.
     
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    I voted no in the poll, a clear indicator of my position.
     
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    I vote yes, although that was implicit in my reply.
     
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    We do not have unlimited funds for medical services

    Even obama is for saving money by letting old people die

    Not that it will ever apply to him
     
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    Digging graves to spec by hand makes people healthy. It should be looked into.
     
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    When one treats any subject to as absolute, one way or another they aren't going to like the answer.

    Treat the acute condition so that it is no longer an immediate life threatening condition, and send you the bill.
     
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    No, they should not be turned away if it's life threatening. Which is why the paying customers end up subsidizing the non-paying customers. It's all built into to the cost of healthcare. It's why your $300 dollar treatment ends up costing $3,000.
     
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    What if they don't treat all the minor cases (non life-threatening) and do the moral thing to save a life?
     
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    What if that acute condition is say.... cancer?
     
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    Then it is no longer acute, it is chronic.
     
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    What if the people who need non life-threatening treatment are the one paying the bills? In any extreme hypothetical like the OP's and mine there are going to be wrong and less-wrong solutions.
     
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    The OP did not ask for solutions to any problem. It's a classic style lead-in to the morality of putting money ahead of life.
     
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    Maybe you should reread the OP. The solutions are whether to treat or not treat the patient. The extremely hypothetical nature of the OP renders it impractical.
     
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    No one is turned away with a life threatening illness. It only happens in liberal dreams.
     
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    We don't have that problem (UK). I believe you would die in the land of the free.
     
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    Yeah, you don't have "that problem" in the UK. But it gets very close:

    N.H.S. Overwhelmed in Britain, Leaving Patients to Wait

    LONDON — At some emergency wards, patients wait more than 12 hours before they are tended to. Corridors are jammed with beds carrying frail and elderly patients waiting to be admitted to hospital wards. Outpatient appointments were canceled to free up staff members, and by Wednesday morning hospitals had been ordered to postpone nonurgent surgeries until the end of the month.

    Cuts to the National Health Service budget in Britain have left hospitals stretched over the winter for years, but this time a flu outbreak, colder weather and high levels of respiratory illnesses have put the N.H.S. under the highest strain in decades.

    The situation has become so dire that the head of the health service is warning that the system is overwhelmed.

    Some doctors took to Twitter to vent their frustrations publicly. One complained of having to practice “battlefield medicine,” while another apologized for the “3rd world conditions” caused by overcrowding.

    But if they hadn't been cutting the budget, the crisis wouldn't have been unmanageable. Government healthcare has to cut services because it'll go bankrupt otherwise.
     

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