Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. Lucifer

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    That's pretty amazing, but of course that is the point of that article, to draw your attention. But the answer is right there in the article:

    We have over a 100,000 years of evolution that has created our brains to be as large as they are because we are a social species. Our brains are large to be able to decipher thousands of subtle social cues from our fellow human beings. It works well, which is why we invented civilization. The ignorance is in thinking we can apply that same skill to non-humans and inanimate objects. That is known as anthropomorphism. It's one of the stumbling blocks scientists always have to deal with.
     
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  2. dagosa

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    For sure. There are benefits to religion. It’s about community, giving people a feeling of sense of purpose and a way to deal with death. Some religions promote Consistent diets and better behavior, all of which have positive benefits. Compared to what is offered in the US, it maybe healthier to belong to an organized religion. But in other countries that offer universal healthcare, that’s not the case.
     
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    Tell us. What is a “ neo”. Is it someone who doesn’t believe in any particular God. Do you hold the same contempt for a Buddhism ? Theirs is just a philosophy for living. You pretend to be an expert on atheism, how about other religions that don’t believe as you do ?
     
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  4. WillReadmore

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    In religious discussions the word "quantum" tends to get used to suggest the existence of a supernatural. That's not supportable.
     
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    Unless, the user thinks his god is really, really, really small. ;).
     
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  6. Gelecski7238

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    My point is that lack of said empirical evidence does not mean that "God" (in one form or another) doesn't exist.

    You're describing the undesirable effects of traditional/bible-based religions, which I also reject.
     
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    The example used in the link is not the standard double slit experiment. It is completely invalid and irrelevant. I suggest you stop broadcasting a lot of rhetorical jargon and get down to the nitty-gritty. All of the following is invalid because it cites the wrong kind of experiment.

    YOUR woo woo hypothesis FAILS when TESTED against the real world evidence of scientists all around the world conducting the double slit experiment. There is not a single instance of YOUR woo woo hypothesis occurring, not one! If there was any merit to your woo woo hypothesis the results of the double slit experiment would be INCONSISTENT over that many experiments.

    The Scientific Method was applied to your woo woo hypothesis and it FAILED and your personal dislikes are irrelevant to the Scientific Method.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Sounds like your god is libertarian.
     
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    Why just make up “ **** “ when there is no evidence. You don’t do that in real life. When early man didn’t know what made the tides come in and recede, they made up a god to account for it. It seems that’s what you are doing now
     
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    I can’t prove that pink elephants don’t exist either. That doesn't mean they do. You don’t know much about science do you ?
    Do you have a habit of running around making believe everything exists that no one has bothered to disprove.
     
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    Pink elephants? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lnzf4KdyJ6o/maxresdefault.jpg
     
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    Your claims about dreams and "mental spy missions" don't have any validity as evidence.

    And, are you really going to tie yourself to "mind over matter"??
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    Kneejerk denialism does not alter the FACT that your woo woo nonsense hypothesis about the double slit experiment FAILED when the Scientific Method was applied.

    Feel free to try reformulating your woo woo hypotheris and let's see if that can hold up to the Scientific Method any better than the DEBUNKED one did.

    Of course you won't because you already know that it can't.

    So PREDICTABLE!
     
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    Consciousness is a characteristic of advanced life forms but there is not much about it that can be pinned down like the concrete factors that hardliners insist upon.
     
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    Once again, they're not referring to the proper original type of double slit experiment replicated and refined since the 1920s. In that experiment, the effects of conscious awareness of the data about the photon passing thru the slit altered the outcome (the band pattern produced). No one since then has been able to support denial of those results.

    The claim that the Young's version of the experiment is scientific proof of no such effect is totally bogus. The proper experiment uses conscious awareness of a living intelligent being. The Young's version rests on pure speculation about what a disembodied consciousness should or shouldn't do to affect the experiment. It also makes passing notice of what a person present in the room and/or observing the experiment supposedly should have on the results. That's not the same as applying conscious awareness of the data about what's passing thru the slit.

    There's no before or after demonstration of anything different. It's just a hollow effort pretending to scientifically debunct the hypothesis that some force of mind could be involved in the decohesion that shapes reality.

    Since a living mind can cause decohesion of photon patterns, it's entirely logical to suspect that some other source of intangible program force can do the same for larger precursors of substance, especially since solid matter is a special form of wafeform energy.

    The scientific method includes experimentation, derivation of hypothesis, and testing of hypothesis in attempt to evaluate validity. We don't yet know of any way to establish that particular validity. That doesn't make it woo woo. If Einstein quaked in his boots when the scientific public objected to his forward thinking, we wouldn't have his ground-breaking theories that are constantly being verified in new discoveries.

    There's plenty of info available about the individuals who performed remote viewing for the military and what they accomplished.

    Obviously, we don't have much to show for claims about "mind over matter" at our level of existence. That still doesn't negate the potential of the subjective factor, a factor that has been proven to exist in the realm of basic energy levels (light). However, "mind over matter" at our level of existence can't be totally dismissed since we have known phenomena such as poltergeist activity that has been repeatedly associated with particular individuals undergoing minor stresses and conflicts during ages of youthful development.
     
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    See my response to WillReadmore.
     
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    Attempted Force of a Negative Proof Fallacy. You are trying to force people into making an Argument From Ignorance Fallacy.

    I don't have to justify my faith to you. Plain and simple.
     
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    Boxers or breifs?
     
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    There is no evidence of "mind" can alter "photon patterns". And things you "suspect" based on that woo woo gain no support from that association.
    It does leave it outside of science.

    And, this is NOTHING like Einstein, who had a concrete and testable understanding of the exact relationships he advanced. Others could and did test his theses. They included no supernatral, no "mind", no woo woo.
    Again, that has nothing to do with science. There are other explanations. There is no testable hypothesis.
    Again, none of this even resembles science in any way.

    Ghosts???
     
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    See Willreadmore's response debunking your unscientific woo woo.

    Here is a question that you MUST address since you raised this particular facet of woowooism.

    The military has ALWAYS weaponized anything and everything that will give it any advantage no matter what it happens to be. For instance the military has adopted green energy in the form of solar panels because they do not rely upon fossil fuels to power equipment.

    So EXPLAIN WHY the military has NOT exploited this imaginary "remote viewing" woo woo of yours? You have conceded that the military did investigate it for any potential uses. Obviously there were NONE at all which is why the military abandoned it as nonsensical woowooism.

    Then there is the commercial exploitation of "remote viewing". What for profit corporation would not want to know what their competitors are doing to gain an edge in the market? Why have no for profit corporations adopted your "remote viewing" woowooism as a means to achieve greater profits?

    Needless to say the answer is the same as the reason why the military has stopped wasting their time on "remote viewing" woowoosim.
     
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    Exactly. This is a crowd that doesn’t beleive in the eighth grade science of change then tries to falsely promote spirituality with their make beleive unstanding of the more advanced science. It defies credibility.
     
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    That’s absolutely right. You don’t have to justify anything based upon faith. That’s the “advantage” of anything faith based. No one knows if they are true or not because anyone who believes faith based ideas is under no obligation to prove anything.

    So, you don’t mind if we don’t take your faith based ideas serious then.
     
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    How about whales ?
     
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    Not in the slightest. As far as I am concerned, so long as you are not harming me in any way, you are free to govern yourself however you see fit.
     

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