Is race flexible???

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  1. Yant0s

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    In society it's starting to be accepted that gender is flexible.

    So why not race? If you truly believe you belong to another race and culture other than the one that you were born into why can't you identify to the race that you feel you belong too?

    Why do we accept the race label we are given at birth and play into it? It's stupid.
     
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    Gender fluidity has a genetic basis. Transwomen carry specific alleles: AR-ERβ, AR-PGR, AR-COMT, and CYP17-SRD5A2, which are proposed to undermasculinize/feminize on the basis of their reported effects. I think only biracial people can pick and choose their racial identities as they like it and pass as either white or black, depending on how they look.

     
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    Teeheee .. no it doesn't. All you're seeing is 'changes', there is nothing demonstrating how or why those changes happened. And one thing we DO actually know is that psychology impacts body chemistry. It's highly likely that we're seeing is the impact of untreated mental illness. Left alone to fester, or in this case actually exacerbated, of course it will eventually disrupt body chemistry. Just consider the impact of cortisol.

    Keeping up with science means forward thinking and nil social obstacles to uncomfortable research.
     
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    I'm always uncomfortable with biracial people that scorn any part of their legacy.
     
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    Because they never considered the implications, when they first toyed with the idea of self-identity. Progressives are profoundly stupid individuals, driven by something like religious mania. It's like putting 8 year old spoiled children in charge of society.
     
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    They will only do that if the parents actively encourage them to regard themselves as one or the other. That's no better than religious indoctrination.
     
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    I know.... but what even defines race and how far back do you go?

    I suppose the presence of different physical features due to the environment is a fairly new thing. When our species was in it's infancy were these differences even there?

    Do we not all belong to the same original race???

    Is the whole concept of race as silly as a person that goes on holiday where the sun darkens their skin... they then believe they are somehow different from the people that stayed at home?

    What I am saying humans from all "races" are basically exactly the same. They are not different so the idea or race is just a mental concept. So why can it not be flexible ?
     
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    You don't go 'back' in the first place. The only reality is the here and now, with a dash of tomorrow.

    Here and now, race is irrelevant - only culture matters.
     
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    Well culture is certainly flexible.
     
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    Oh, I remember the good, old days of 2015 when the narrative was still one of "gender is just a social construct!" and when transsexuals were called "transsexuals" and just regarded as a "oppressed social group". But, in the ding-ding-world of Social Justice, things move very fast - Now, they are - all of a sudden - making biological arguments(!!!!!) and they have even changed the term from "transsexual" to just refer to them as "trans"(!) in some kind of subtle move to normalise it even more than it already is. What the actual flying horse?

    I am actually very confused and always equally surprised when the shoal of fish, all of a sudden, change their direction of movement. :shock:
     
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    Exactly. Which is why it should be discriminated for and against.
     
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    I'm willing to bet they're just as surprised.

    When you throw all critical consideration of implications out the window, you're rudderless. The slightest breeze will see you sail so far off course that you've no hope of reaching your destination.
     
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    I’ve never been on to accept the labels others have tried to assign to me and I have always interacted with others as unique and not as a category. To accept someone else’s label is to abdicate a bit of the self and accepting of their power to decide who you are IMO.
    In a very real genetic sense we are all related or we wouldn’t be of the same species, much less any racial designation.
    I had my DNA, analyzed finding in the results I was 51% Irish, with not much surprise as my family tree on both sides of my parents can be traced back many, many generations. However, I found my DNA had significant traces of Scandinavian, French, Iberian, and African markers...all easily explained by the migrations and mixing of peoples in the last two thousand years +. I confirmed I am a mutt.
    However, I found I had significant percentage of Native American which I found puzzling since I thought I was able to trace my family tree back before an ancestor of mine migrated to the Americas. When I inquired about this with my mother.... her comment was “well, there was a rumor”.
    I figure many people would be enlightened of their ‘mutt’ status if they had their DNA analyzed, with many, like myself, being substantially mixed in what would be considered, racial ancestry.
    My first real love/girlfriend in Ireland was the only black in my class. I thought I had the diamond, being her beauty as outstanding and she was a close to my AmanCara as I ever had. And while we didn’t experience the racial discrimination at that time in Ireland as was happening in the US, I remember thinking there was a solution...the same one that George Carlin once proposed... everybody should f*** everybody and over time we’d all look the same.
    One thing I have always found interesting are children’s views of race and other such differences... they don’t exist.
     
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    Depend on how you are defining race. If we are talking the generalized use by society, yeah, especially given how much mixing we have going on. With the introduction of companies like 23 and Me, people are finding out they have a more mixed heritage than they realized.

    Now culture is pure learned behavior. While we can bell curve it to be mostly one race, no culture is limited to any given race.
     
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    Gender is not dynamic - people who are confused suffer from mental illness
     
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    How could a human belong to another race when there is only one?
     
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    I think it is clear that the OP is using the term colloquially, and not in it's strictest definition.
     
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    Haven't we been over this before?

    Humans instinctively categorize. It is a high priority survival behavior. Lion bad, chicken good. When something you categorized falls out of its "box" psychological agitation takes place attempting to recategorize it. People vary how they deal with it.

    Things might be easier if you used ethnicity rather than race as a category. There are many Jews who are atheist but they still consider themselves Jewish. Those that convert to Judaism take on that culture. In my work I have met many white women married to an African American who have taken on his culture fully. They would not call themselves black but culturally they are. Obama was probably culturally white until he got to Chicago where he embraced another ethnicity.
     
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    Let's pretend you are right for once. So what? If their choices bring them peace isn't that the best outcome?
     
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    Murder and violence brings some people peace.

    What are you actually chasing here? A safe and peaceful society, or total chaos and destruction?
     
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    "Murder and violence brings some people peace"? Like in your "Teeheee" post you have no scientific basis for your opinions just bias and prejudice.

    Then you bring up the specter of "total chaos and destruction", if what? If society continues down its path?

    Right-wingers have a problem of fear. They view change, people not in their in-group and any threat to the status quo with suspicion and fear. You can't help it.


    https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/13/1/43/4596542
     
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    1) You are proposing that criteria for acceptability is if the behaviour 'brings peace' to the individual. I pointed out how absurd and dangerous that is, by reminding you that 'peace' can be brought by all manner of awful behaviours.

    2) If a society uses the 'brings peace' criteria to determine acceptance, it will absolutely fall into chaos and destruction. See above.

    3) No idea what 'right-wingers' have to do with anything, sorry.
     
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    Total chaos and destruction? You sound a bit hysterical.
    Ethically those "profoundly stupid progressives" assign fairness and do no harm the greatest importance and conservatives do not. Fairness means respecting the rights of everyone. Respecting the rights of people you may not like and protecting the rights of those who may have them taken away by others.

    Allowing the fluidity of cultures/gender, if it brings peace to an individuals psyche and does not step on the rights of others what harm has been done?

    I am sorry about the diagnosis but you have all the symptoms.
     
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    1) You think the fabric of Black American society is good? How about working and middle class white people? Both are diving so fast it's not even slightly funny. All resulting from the outrageously selfish and lazy 'if it makes you happy, do it' opt out.

    2) Because the GROUP is more important for survival, than the individual. We are not so safe that we can ignore that rule of nature .. and the evidence of just how unsafe we are is in the decay we're now seeing. If you ignore the effect on the group, you are supporting that decay. You are literally choosing to watch your tribe die.

    3) Nice try, but no prize. Your bourgeois conservatism is wildly apparent, and you can't hide it by pointing and saying "I'm not, but you are!" when you encounter someone whose position far to the left of you makes you feel guilty.
     

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