Could somebody address this issue with 'the wall'?

Yup, the classic opinion is fact fallacy.

 

Okay. That would work.

Let me just add that some on the left point out--quite correctly, I believe--that a border wall would not stop 100 percent of the illegal traffic across the border.

Two points, however, should be made here, viz.:

(1) It would stop a great deal of this traffic--the walls in both San Diego and El Paso, from what I understand, are quite effective--so it could be used in conjunction with other methods (such as an increased number of border agents) to stem this unabated flow.

(2) It was Donald Trump's signature issue during the 2016 campaign--it really helped to get him elected--so to renege on this now would be to break a most important campaign promise. And Donald Trump--who is really not a politician at all, but a businessman--has tried, very hard, to keep faith with the American people, as regarding his promises.

 

The closing of the GM (not Ford as you erroneously claim) plant in Lordstown has nothing to do with Chinese trade.

 

Actually, it would not mean "ceding land to Mexico." A small portion of land on the other side of the wall would remain US territory.

Granted, however, that it would be essentially unusable territory.

But who is really interested in using just a few feet of land? And why must it be used for another purpose, anyway?

 

To the first post; you really cannot bring yourself to saying it can you?

To the second; there are people like me. Let me explain: Some people like to test their legal limits.

I am a foreigner (true in this hypothetical and in real life) Suppose I went to the Texas-Mexico border. Yes, risk number one that is Cartel country, but that aside, I find where the river is most narrow or least rapid and either swim across or hire somebody with a boat to row across. I then walk without a visa on US territory and go up and touch the wall. Then I feel emboldened to set up a tent and spend the night there.

Honest question: Who's going to hypothetically/theoretically stop me? An American soldier in a pillbox or tower with a machine gun?

 

saying what

should the border control catch you you get arrested for vagrancy

Well it would probably be border patrol if you did get caught if you didn't like you got away with vagrancy who cares?

 

I don't accept the CBP as a source for crime statistics other than border crossings along with what is being carried, if anything.

Are they pointing out that the major influx of drugs and other illegal cargo is through the legal points of entry, dwarfing any other method of transporting contraband?

And, I don't see Trump being truthful on ANY issue of immigration.

 

The persons who own that land care.

Such a wall essentially redefines the border, ceding territory to Mexico. How much time and effort would we EVER put into patrolling land on the Mexico side of the wall? When people choose to live there (and there IS room for that) are we going to try to collect taxes, investigate crime, impose US law, check papers, address property claims of those living there, allow them to vote, ensure they have adequate services, manage the Rio Grande, and all the other stuff that living in America guarantees?

I doubt it. I think we'll just leave that to Mexico. And, at some point that will be the foundation of a fully legal claim of territory.

 

the person who owns the land would be the government. if it was held by a private individual or corporation the government would purchase it to place the wall on. That's how it works.

you can't build on it anyways so who cares.

 

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/experim...mg/0617_Brownsville_Start_near_Boca_Chica.jpg

 

good luck with selling that story, most of America is embarrassed by this President

 

we will lose with Trump supporters that support stealing money from the military and stealing peoples land... but those are not the people whom votes we want

 

your party is in power, ask them... Obama built walls where he thought they were needed... the left is against a giant wall of china across the entire southern border and the tax payers paying for it

Trump has yet to tell us where he thinks a wall is needed

 

Without context this means nothing.

 

Back when George Bush was in office there for it. I'm guessing it's because Bush wanted some sort of virtual wall. So naturally they had to be against that.

More and more it just seems like a party of contrarians.

 

And again the lack of understanding of why Trump won the 2016 Presidency is on display.

 

Where did Obama build walls ?? Just look at where the walls are being built - that will be an apt clue as to where walls are needed.

 

Stealing ?? How so ?? Who are those Trump supporters who are not in favor of building the wall ?? Who are the landowners who are against securing their property and lives against drug smugglers and MS13 gang members ?? How many of these land owners have lost property and their lives to illegal aliens crossing the border ??

 

Then you should have no problem providing a link or video to disprove it. Until you do, you're talking out of your @ss.

 

True.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/us/border-wall-texas-no-mans-land.html

The picture I cited comes from this rather weird site:
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/us-mexico-interactive-border-map/

The idea that the part of the USA that is on the Mexico side is worthless land or too small to be usable may be true in some places, but certainly not in all places - such as Brownsville, Texas.

And, when these Texans lose their land, it can be a loss greater than the government assessed value of the property, as farms and some other businesses have to have enough land to be successful, and if that is reduced it means the business fails.

 

There are a good number of Republican congressmen who are not happy about the work they put into passing additional money for the military only to have it taken away by Trump.

You may claim that they don't represent any actual Republicans, but my bet is that would be a mistake.

 

Argumentum ad populum

I never heard it, so prove your claim, or admit it originated in your rectum.

 

Name one.

 

Landowners will be compensated.

 

LOL!!

Mitch McConnell.

Do you need more??