The Not so Subtle Moral Decay of the US Military

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  1. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. It's natural to be a man and to love your country. The only thing is if the 'brute force' is able to solve any problem without creating more problems.
    Iran had a very long history with bitter moments (connected with my country as well). I understand your viewpoint. Especially here.
    But still if you think of land and problems not from the side of offences and historical traumas but in the context of the best possible future I hope you could think of better solutions rather than medieval in its essence goal to keep your own region for yourself only. Such an approach made sence when 95% percent of population were peasants who needed land to generate income. At the moment control over territories is more of a responsibility, which costs money. Besides, competition for land and regional influence generates losses in exchange for lives. At some point the states continued to play the same game not to increase the income but to make the competitor to have more losses than they themselves. So practically modern policy in your region is war at the costs of lives. And this approach of yours is THE SAME from the other side. Jews also want to have 'their region' to 'fight iranian hegemony' etc. In my opinion the very game of this doesn't make sense to play. At all. Of course it is extremely bad to lose in this game. And with time every side will inevitably lose on a long run. There should be a better future. It just must be.
     
  2. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Want a better army? Keep it out of nation building and military aggression. Keep it so that it ONLY defends this country, and morale will be excellent.

    Listen to what Smedley Butler USMC said a century ago.
     
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    Sometimes nation building works but more often it doesnt

    We did ok in japan, south korea, and germany

    But failed miserably in iraq and afghanistan
     
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    Let's see, if we followed that advise Europe would still be in NAZI control or worse yet The USSRs control as would all of Africa the middle east and Asis. Ohh and yes south America.
    American power projection has been the greatest human source for good on this planet. Imperfect yes of course but it keeps evil at bay.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Notice that in WWII we had war declared in accordance with constitutional demands.

    Notice that every other war since was NOT declared in accordance with legal principles.

    Note that AUMF, the cornerstone of our fraudulent GWOT, is legal sophistry, complete political bullshit.
     
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    Imperfect is strong understatement. Failure by any moral standard, as the guy who was there said--Smedley Butler USMC

    Illegal and immoral would be more accurate.
     
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    None of that changes the fact thst japanese, koreans and germans are basically rational prople whereas muslim wackos are not
     
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    That's certainly your opinion.. there is nothing immoral about slaughtering ISIS.
    There was nothing immoral about fighting communist aggressors in Asia.
     
  9. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    At age 72, I still can't determine which wackos are crazier and more extreme: Christians or muslims? It's a toss-up
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm guessing you're Christian....
     
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    Since you have not found the ritght answer by now you never will
     
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    It's a toss-up, and that is demonstrated frequently.
     
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    Given your bias against Christians your opinion does not surprise me

    And since you state it so often it does not shock me either
     
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    I guess that's good?

    Yes, having been raised Christian, it's quite easy to see the hypocrisy and intolerance and hatred displayed by so many. And of course knowledge of the Crusades rather fills that out. Not to mention our invasion and destruction of muslim countries by our "Christian soldiers".
     
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    The crusades were good... they were brought about by Muslim invasions! They were not unprovoked. And were not Christian atrocities!!!!!
     
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    The Crusades?

    Ah yes, thanks to libs who use them like a crutch I remember the Crusades as if they were yesterday instead of 600 hundred years ago

    Btw, muslims engaged in their own crusade against Christians
     
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    The crusades seem to have left a greater imprint on Christians (and Jewish communities slaughtered by them) than on Muslims, who until recently didn't even see them the way Christians would see them. For them, they were part of a larger struggle between Islam and Christendom and not much more. But the crusader mentality has never left the West: it is alive and kicking even on this forum!
     
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    The moral of the US military is in the state it is because they realize they are basically war criminals and they have unbearable guilt about the things they do.

    They go to other peoples countries and kill them to profit the military industrial complex, and steal their natural resources . Show me one place where the US military is showing force that does not have natural resources the US corporations want to exploit.
     
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    [​IMG]Spot On "jdog" SPOT ON ! [​IMG]

    & Immoral War breeds
    Moral Injury in War-Related PTSD
    https://silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com/2014/06/09/moral-injury-military-suicide-and-bowe-bergdahl/
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    Resulting In
    Military Suicides Reach Highest Rate
    Since Record-Keeping Began After 9/11

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/01/pentagon-reports-record-number-suicides.html

    [​IMG]

    There is a reason for the discrepancy -
    That being Moral Injury due to Immoral Wars
     
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  20. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some do, yes. Others forget. Yet, others have no clue what is going on in their country or the world. Life goes on and the next war is just around the corner!
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is terrible what greed for money and power will do to the ordinary population. All these beautiful, promising young lives wasted in endless wars and their aftermaths. It would break my heart, if my five grandsons had to go to war for the US's invented wars, which are fought for nothing else but greed of the elite.
    Here are a few examples...

    America's Disease is Greed

    The most serious spiritual problem in the country today is reckless and untrammeled greed.
    Greed is responsible for the obscene salaries of CEOs.
    Greed is responsible for the endless stress and ruthless competition of the workplace.
    Greed is responsible for outsourcing,
    Greed causes expensive wars,
    Greed drives loan sharks.
    Greed is responsible for low wages,
    Greed is the reason that the country is being run by the insurance, pharmaceutical, weapons and petroleum industries.
    Greed is behind the scam artists who steal from the elderly.

    Read much more here:
    https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0820-09.htm
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    Of course, this phenomena is not happening only in the US, it has been in existence across the globe since Kain and Abel fought for God's blessing. But the US, as the world empire, is leading with this bad example of manifested greed and ruins all the rest of the countries...
    Greed for oil, resources, Power and Control!
     
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    the only thing worse than greed is relying on government to try to fix common flaws in human character.
     
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    So instead of having a Government that might stand in the way of,
    ............................... or in any way constrain gross unfettered Greed.

    Have a Government that is Bought & Paid for by the most Greedy.
    ......................................
    One that has a vested interest in the Moral & Mental devolution of
    its dummied down citizenry. One that relies upon a compliant and
    complacent electorate, who happily remain Willfully Ignorant of the
    .................. Blood smeared upon their hands & faces by GREED -
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    So long as the pri$e of gasoline remains relatively Cheap.
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    ...................................... A Government like that of [​IMG]

    .
     
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    The Nazis or Bolsheviks would never have gotten into power if it were not for their Republican Wall Street financiers. FACT.
     
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    Though i reject your conclusion as absurd.

    I will say that corruption in business and government is far better that having a totalitarian regime . Even if that regime breeds morally good human behavior.
     

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