Should people who cannot afford life saving treatments be left to die?

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Should people who cannot afford life saving treatments be left to die?

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  2. No

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  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Taxes are not theft. There is a price to pay for to live in a civilized society. Id rather live in a place where we help each other an use taxes for a greater general good, than live in some survival of the fittest type society. I dont know about you.
     
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    Everything available.
    As much as you want.
    Whenever you want.
    How you want it.
    Paid for by someone else.

    This is what the stooges think they're gonna get, and deserve, simply for eating, crapping and breeding.
     
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    Oh great.
    You're ready to step up and pay the highest tax rate you'd inflict on others
     
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    The rest of the world is a s**t hole. If you think it is better then please go, and stop trying to make this into a s**t hole too.
     
  5. jdog

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    All taxes which are not voluntary are by definition theft by force. If you would rather live in a socialist society then by all means go live in one, but do not try to enslave the rest of us unless you want to become our enemy.
     
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  6. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually many parts of the developed world are quite nice places to live in fact. You should log off Stormfront occasionally and get around to see them.
     
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    Then by all means immigrate to one of them. I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms.
     
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  8. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Might I make the same suggestion to you. But in your case 1944 Germany might be more your style. Oh wait, they had universal health care...
     
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  9. jdog

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    So tell me, what else do you think you have a right to make someone else buy for you besides healthcare?
     
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    Well, that doesn't happen now but just wait if we get single payer then depending on your age, yes, you may be allowed to die instead of being treated.
     
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    So, you don't have a problem with whatever your income is, being taxed at 95% to support that 'civilized society'?

    You've left the gate wide open. It will be the penalty you pay for leaving that gate wide open. And it will become necessary for you to be dependent on others for your very survival.

    At what point does 'helping others' become detrimental to yourself? If 'others' have no incentive to help themselves, then you will pay, and continue to pay, for those who have no wish to make anything of their lives. And then you will finally acknowledge it is theft.

    The above is the extreme version. I have no problem with contributing to help others monetarily to a point. That point has been reached, IMO, when I am paying 25% of my income to support others, and I can barely afford to pay for myself.
     
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    Wonderful! So how much extra did you donate to the US Treasury this year? I mean, I'm sure a gung-ho lover of taxes like yourself must pay more than the minimum.
     
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    I don't need healthcare so I'm willing to pay into it for others. I also don't specifically need the fire department, police or (any other service that benefits society as a whole) but I pay into them because they make my country better.
     
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    A couple of points, first, under what circumstances does theft by force become moral? Does it make it moral if you steal less instead of more? What effect do you think dependency of entitlements has on the human psyche? Why do you think welfare reform was necessary in the 90's due to the fact it had created a welfare state?
     
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    You pay for services that are limited in scope. But what if fire departments were expected to catch fires before they started? So they had to spend huge amounts to increase staffs and buy equipment so they could have widespread patrols of local neighborhoods, looking for signs of fires? How much would you be willing to spend or is there no limit?

    Because that's the difference with government healthcare. Everybody wants heroic treatment to extend their lives, regardless of costs. And government won't admit that they'll have to resort to death panels to decide who gets treatment. So it all ends in lies and broken promises and/or bankruptcy.
     
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    How much are you willing to pay? If you really believe in what you are saying then you should contribute all of your assets above what you need to survive to those who have less than you, otherwise you are a hypocrite.
     
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    What part of I don't mind is vague? That means I accept, or voluntarily contribute for the support of others.

    The rest of your post is misdirected.
     
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    What is reasonably needed for the service.

    That's weird little condition.
     
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    When you take something from someone by force, that by definition is theft. Involuntary taxes are theft by force. Simple logic. To say otherwise would be a lie. Now that we have established that, the question is; at what point is theft by force moral?
     
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    Are you one of those sovereign citizens?
     
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    I do mind. I do not like the government stealing what I have earned for my family by force of a gun. I have not volunteered. By what moral standard should you be able to vote to steal my money? Suppose your neighbors decided to vote to steal your house, would that be moral?
     
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    Helping others is progressive code for transferring money from someone with more than oneself, to oneself
     
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    Why are you changing the subject? Are you afraid to answer my questions?
     
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    So you are. That would explain your strange posts. No use discussing anything with someone so delusional.
     
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    So you clearly do not have the integrity to answer questions when you are backed into a corner. Simple question, when does theft by force become moral.

    So far as your question, do you even understand what you are asking? There are only 2 states of human existence, either you own yourself, or someone else owns you.

    If you believe that you are the owner of your own life, then you are sovereign. If you believe you are owned by someone else, then you are a subject.
    Which are you?
     
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