As unimaginable as this is..........it's getting worse.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The ACA was passed by majorities in the House and Senate after Obama solicited and received input from Repubs following discussion and debate on the bill between the "gang of 6." It is favored by a majority of Americans.
     
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    It wasn't favored by Americans. That's one of the campaign promises DJT ran on. If most Americans liked it, that wouldn't have happened.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you forget more Americans voted for Hillary?

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    No. Did you forget DJT won the election?
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With a minority of votes. About 3M less. Check the national polls on his presidency as well as all the major issues facing the nation. The POT (party of Trump) position is consistently in the minority.
     
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    so what?

    the country isn't a direct democracy. Like it or not the fly over country you hate exists and gets a say as well.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You implied Trump won because the majority does not favor the ACA. Not true.

    The "flyover" part of the country absolutely deserves a say on policy matters and elections. They just don't justifiably have the right to impose their minority views on the majority.
     
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    You mean the left does not believe in protecting minorities anymore? Fascinating.
     
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    How do you, personally, define flyover land?
     
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    that's false.

    And they don't if anything California New York Texas and Florida do impose their will on the nation.
     
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    Everything that exists between the east coast and the West coast
     
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    Okay, so I live in Minnesota, smack in the middle of flyover land. Perhaps you shouldn’t assume that people who disagree with you are all coastal elites. Do you even know where Lee is from?

    While you’re at it, perhaps you should ditch the insecure chip on your shoulder that assumes people on the coast all hate the middle of the country.
     
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    When you can't about the popular vote you are necessary giving the finger to flyover country. It doesn't matter if you live there it not.

    If you talk about popular vote you are giving the finger to the middle of the country.
     
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    How many Rep;ublican Senators make a majority?
     
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    I live in Colorado.......which is probably considered part of flyover country.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An election was held. Obama was openly in favor of healthcare reform as were most Dems. Obama won a large majority and Dems took control of Congress. As Trumpette's love to say..........elections have consequences. In this case, as was not the case for the presidential election in 2016, the majority ruled.
     
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    This government was never intended to be majority rule.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm embarrassed for you that as a Trumpette you are forced to make these ridiculous assertions.
     
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    What is ridiculous is the attempt to advance the idea that majority rule was ever intended for us.
     
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    How many Republican votes did it get?
     
  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet..........

    "The first principle of republicanism is that the lex majoris partis is the fundamental law of every society of individuals of equal rights; to consider the will of the society enounced by the majority of a single vote as sacred as if unanimous is the first of all lessons in importance, yet the last which is thoroughly learnt. This law once disregarded, no other remains but that of force, which ends necessarily in military despotism." --Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1817. ME 15:127
    "The will of the people... is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waring, 1801. ME 10:236

    "The measures of the fair majority... ought always to be respected." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792. ME 8:397

    "I subscribe to the principle, that the will of the majority honestly expressed should give law." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793. ME 1:332

    "All... being equally free, no one has a right to say what shall be law for the others. Our way is to put these questions to the vote, and to consider that as law for which the majority votes." --Thomas Jefferson: Address to the Cherokee Nation, 1809. ME 16:456
    https://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff0500.htm
     
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    I agree with you on this at least.

    Bush was a complete disaster.
     
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    And so is the total hypocracy and cruelty of the right. Whats your point?
     
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    I would rather have Vlad the Impaler as our president than this criminal in chief were stuck with now.
     
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    And the GOP slogan should be "We only like white Christians. Preferably male. The rest of you can piss off and die"
     

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