New US charges against Julian Assange could spell decades behind bars

Did you watch part of the video mate ? I don't know how one can not be at least a little disturbed. The State going after patriots who out Gov't crimes - using legitimate channels - is moving towards tyranny. This one would expect in the Soviet Union or China but here ?

In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens ( not that they were not doing this before but now it is "State Sanctioned") This is textbook 1984 - where the "Ministry of Truth" was where propaganda was created.

 

No it isn't. Fencing stolen goods is illegal. Unless you can demonstrate that hackers selling off data are never prosecuted and judged guilty.
Personnaly, I wouldn't give him a trial. A nice ride in an helicopter would do just fine.

 

An Article in Consortium News on how the adding on the Espionage charges has resulted in an about change in the press towards Assange.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/05/27/tide-of-public-opinion-is-turning-in-assanges-favor/

and another on same topic

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/05/...s-finally-realize-his-fate-is-tied-to-theirs/

 

Sorry, I have metered internet. I don't watch internet videos. But disturbed about government corruption? No, I'm used to it and expect it.

 

That is unfortunate - basically it was testimony from a number of ex CIA agents who the FBI went after on behalf of the CIA. The "Crime" was that they tried to out criminality within these organizations through legitimate channels.

They had their houses ransacked - computer and property confiscated - were harassed - then were hauled in on trumped up charges in what is known as "charge stacking" - espionage, treason, and a host of other things totaling 100 years or some ridiculous amount of jail time. Then they get you to take a deal - plead guilty to some lesser charge - you end up doing less than 2 years. You have no choice as you are already broke from fighting the initial charges and continuing would leave you destitute and should you lose you could end up doing serious time.
Your reputation is trashed - your career is over - no pension and so on.

Whistleblowers sue DOJ, FBI, and NSA for malicious prosecution, civil rights violations
https://www.rt.com/usa/313662-whistleblowers-sue-doj-fbi-nsa/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-prosecution-civil-liberties-violations.shtml

 

Indeed and it would appear to be a growing problem since Assange was granted the extra 17 charges.

This is an article on other countries seeming to see Assange's charges as a signal that they can interfere with there own press in a way which previously they would have known was unacceptable.

The do in particular seem to be about making sure the press does not disclose what they do not want heard. In Australia they involve the rewriting of emails as you say like 1984 and not what we have expected expected from Western Countries or certainly Western Liberal Democracies.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/06/...urnalists-for-publishing-classified-material/

It carries on to say that while there is no direct link with Assange these police activities indicate that the 'free' press's freedom is weaken and notes that it is only after Assange's charges of espionage that other countries felt they could go against the press in this way. They also pointed out that the Press itself which for some reason was choosing not to support Assange although when he first made his information available they were delighted and gained much prestige from it, now understood how serious it could be for them as well. The article finishes

WL statement:

cont'd

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/

 

The government needs investigate the claims of whistle blowers and then reward them if the investigation holds true. The federal government is really quite corrupt. It can't survive whistle blowers. Whistle blowers need to be protected and rewarded. Those who harm the whistle blowers should be shown the door. Nobody does anything about it. Hence the corruption.

 

This article speaks about basically the taking over of the Guardian by the Security State in the past 6 years or so - since it was publishing the Snowdon Papers. This part speaks of how this resulted in it changing its position on Assange

Any belief we have that our mainstream press is free needs to be revised

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...lised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/

While I think this activity began earlier in the States with imprisonment of Assange the UK and US 'freedom of the Press' ends.

 

Good

 

You don't like freedom of the press? You don't believe in Democracy?

 

1. No i don't like democracy . I don't believe in tyranny of the majority. I like democratic republics.

2. Breaking the law by leaking secret information is not freedom of the press.

 

so what is that - rule by the elite a bit like Britian was in the 19th Century? Indeed up to after the first world war.

Who says it is breaking the law to report things which people ought to know. It is the end of democracy and the end of free speech. The idea of papers having free speech had nothing to do with allowing them to say all kind of tosh which is still allowed. The idea of a free press was a press without interference from the State. That is what has been done to the Guardian. That is what was going on in other countries after the arrest of Assange. So you believe that the West was wrong to be against Totalitarianism in the USSR as you clearly are supporting it in the West. A Free Press, that is a press free from Governmental Interference is one of the cornerstones of a democracy, which of course you have said you do not support.

 

It's a frightening future we have ahead of us. I sometimes wish I didn't have any children.

 

He may not.
Imagine that every time the prosecution is asked to prove one of their accusations they won't show any evidence because it's a state secret.
They have to prove his guilt, and without them showing any evidence the case may be dismissed.

 

It's the grandchildren I am more worried about.

 

Those too but despite my 72 years, my children are only 28, 27, and 12. No grandchildren yet.

 

I know some people are wondering whether it is ethical to have children and here I am thinking of Global warming.

 

Most people in the US are very deeply in denial about the criminal nature and criminal record of their government.

Pretty much the same for Great Britain, from whence we descended.

Humans tend to be cruel, especially the Brits and the US. They may not hold a candle to Israel, but they are close indeed.

 

He's been doing time, 8 years and counting, without a conviction, for exposing the crimes of government.

 

Nope, time in the embassy doesn’t count. He was treated well there and was allowed to smear his feces on a wall. He wouldn’t get away with that monkey fun in prison.
He just needs another 10-20 years in the US prison and he’ll be good to go.

 

Would you invite Assange to your home? Do you know what kind of guest he is? He’d poop on the floor and smear his feces on your walls.
But I bet you are an awesome host and would not mind. Would you offer him cookies or toilet paper after that?

 

Off topic dirt.

 

Bullshit!

 

Too true, eh Robert?

How do YOU rationalize the assault on the First Amendment?

 

Judges don't prosecute