Trump fires Bolton

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was also a Democrat who pulled the troops from Iraq in December, 2011, thereby creating one of worst humanitarian crises since WWII.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
    Sounds like war mongering liberals who couldn't get the Dems to go along with their war mongering.
     
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    Bolton's book release next summer is going to be great

    Due course of events

    I guess they made sure Michael Cohen has no access to a word processor
     
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    What is silly, foolish,contradictory, and wrong with calling liberals war mongerers is that even posters right here claimed that:
    liberals do not serve in the military ( not true of course)
    Liberals are wimps ( some are)
    Liberals are anti war( true for the most part but that is contradictory to calling them war mongerers which totally undermines your accusations)

    Let's take a trip back to 1941 and point to FDR who was a propgressive and liberal asked Congress to declare war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.
    Do you consider him a war mongerer because he called for war to defend our country?
     
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    You're forgetting that Ukraine has always been one and the same with Russia, and when the Polish/Lithuanian Empire conquered them and forced them to go under the Pope, half the country remained true to its roots and refused to do so and reunited with Russia. The people in Eastern Ukraine are not only ethnically Russia, but have remained true to their roots and are culturally Russian as well..

    As I said, these indiginous Russians in Eastern Ukraine are the ones who remained true to their roots and refused to go under the Pope. Khruschev was in charge of distributing the food to them, while taking much of it to feed the people in Kazakhstan who were starving at the time. If it was deliberate, then Khruschev was to blame. Frankly I can't understand why the Western Ukrainians are making such a big thing of a genocide of people who they have been persecuting? Seems like hypocrisy to me.

    Anyway I think there was some kind of climate change because at the same time Germany had a bad crop which is being considered as the cause of the depression and in Oklahoma and Texas they were suffering dust storms and had to move to California.


    I think the attitude, hatreds and cruelty of the Western Ukrainians during WWII didn't stem from Poland since they too suffered immensely from the W. Ukrainians, but like the Croats with their cruelty, it was formed by a subservience to Austria - who wanted to rid them of any cultural affinities they had towards their Slavic brethren - and especially towards Russia who they feared.


    Maybe it's because the native Americans were culturally suppressed by the Europeans who came, while the minorities in the Russian Federation were not? Seems like the 185 ethnic groups in the Federation, with their 100 languages are perfectly happy being part of the Russian Federation. Sixty languages are even being taught in school next to Russian so they could retain their culture and heritage.

    Now how about Ukraine and their fascist government? Are they still forcing the people in the lands that were stolen from Russia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania to give up their language and heritage?

     
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    Putin is mimicking what the US did before that. Jack Kennedy established the Peace Corp to help poor countries develop themselves. Kennedy was a Catholic, and had to have been influenced by their social policies if not in personal morality. He ended up being killed by the Texas mafia and a vicious and ambitious person who wanted to be president. Was the CIA involved? I don't know! The agents could have been blackmailed.
     
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    JFK was killed when karma caught up to JFK.

    Three weeks before JFK met his fate in Dallas Texas, JFK had just signed off on regime change in the Saigon government, the CIA backed military coups that backfired resulting in the death of President Diem.

    The CIA and the Kennedy State Department got what they wanted, owning South Vietnam and South Vietnam became America's problem from that day on.
     
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    JFK wasn't a nationalist. He was a patriot.
     
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    Bolton has always been a warmonger. Nothing has changed about that.. He was gung ho for the invasion of Iraq and never stopped claiming they had WMDS.
     
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    Yes, he always was and remains a warmonger. But his new name is "Mike Bolton" because Trump continually refers to him by that name.

    Righties love to laugh at Joe Biden's gaffs but conveniently overlooks those of their deluded hero.
     
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    Trump didn't know any of those people he hired .. He doesn't listen. Tillerson, Mattis, ( I have lost track) none of them could help him.
     
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    Kennedy was killed in a CIA backed coup after the Bay of Pigs fiasco when he fired scumbag Dulles and vowed to “break the CIA into 1000 pieces”. That along with little snot nosed Bobby’s wreckless and disrespectful treatment of big time Mafiosos like Giancana, Hoffa and Marcello got JFK whacked.
     
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    Ukraine is not "one" with Russia. That is a myth perpetrated by Russian historians because Russia wanted to steal the history of the Kyivan -Rus because Muscovy did not have the culture and laws that Kyvivan-Rus had. Christianity spread from Greece and to Kyivan -Rus and from there to Muscovy. Kyvivan-Rus was the ancient identity of Ukraine and Muscovy was the ancient name for Russia.

    Even now with DNA technology there is evidence that Ukrainians have certain element of DNA that Russians do not.

    Russians are not indigenous to Ukraine. They are interlopers and invaders just as Russians are not indigenous to Krym( the Crimea).
    Ukraine did not expand and take over lands from indigenous peoples as Russia did. So of Course Russia should honor the rights of indigenous peoples.

    Ukraine never stole any land from Russia or any other country. Russians moved into parts of Ukraine when Ukrainian Kozaks left to go live in the Kuban.

    After Russian committed genocide by killing 6-8 millions Ukrainians Russian invaded Easter Ukraine and took lands that where occupied by the Ukrainians that arussia mudered.
    Since Russian is a foreign invaders language on Ukrainian soil Ukraine has every right to use Ukrainian as the official language of government.
    If the invading Russians want to teach there kids Russian then they can set up their own schools on weekends and have fun.

    As far as Western Ukrainians converting to Catholicism that is not abandoning their roots. That is being smart and tying into Western Europe and Western civilization not the barbarism of the Eurasian cabals. Ukraine is a European country, Russia is infused with Mongolian culture and Mongolian DNA and it extends into Asia. Russian is not a European country.
     
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    Ukraine is not the name of a country or people. In Greek it means 'edge' and is a reference to the people who live on the outskirts of the land. So you tell me what large piece of land are they talking about? Also the Vikings were sailing along the Volga and they are the same Vikings that were in Kiev - so wouldn't there be a connection there?

    Everyone has an element of DNA that others do not have depending on the indigenous tribes in a specific area.

    The Greeks colonized Crimea first, but I'm sure there were Skythians there. Aren't there some gold objects that were never returned? Then the Goths came, Genovese, Germans, Tatars etc. I don't know if the Mongolians settled, but I do know that they threw the bodies of their soldiers who died of the plague into the Genovese fort, and it was their ships that carried it into Europe.

    As for the rest of Ukraine, I'm sure there were Greek colonies as well, and they are the ones who called it the outskirts. So again I ask you; Ukraine is the outskirts of what large land mass'?


    The will of what indigenous people? The ones who were formerly a part of Poland, or the ones who were living in the part that was always Russian?

    Then the dialect used in the former Polish area should be imposed on the people in the Russian areas, the Hungarian areas, the Polish areas, etc., etc. Let's be logical here and look at other countries and what they did. The US had no official language. In time the pockets of French, Germans, Spanish and Dutch began speaking English since it was the most commercial - although the Germans refused to give up their language until WWI because of the propaganda against them.
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    When Greece became a nation, they took the most common dialect and made it the official language. The purists though wanted to eliminate all foreign words so they created a written language which consisted only of Greek words - something that can only be done in the Greek language because of its flexibility.


    In Italy they took the language spoken in Florence since it was the most intellectual and made it the official language, and in Spain they used Castillian. So why do you feel that the Ukrainian dialect spoken in the former Polish area should be the language imposed on all the people? Do you consider it richer and more intellectual than the Russian of the East?

    What invading Russians? What I see are the invading 'nationalists' from Gallatia trying to ethnically cleanse and take the lands from the indigenous Russian population of the Donbas.

    But if they are more civilized, then why were they the ones that were killing Poles, Jews, Russians and Armenians in WWII - and today why are they killing the indigenous Russians in the Donbas?


     
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    Some don't improve with age.
     
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    If you have a problem with the definition, take it up with wikipedia.
     
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    Nothing in Wikipedia that says !iberals are war mongerers.
     

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