Fact check: Could a President Beto O'Rourke confiscate assault weapons?

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  1. Zorro

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    If Hillary could have appointed judges for 8 years, a future President Beto likely could. The Fake News CNN knows that his impetuous blurting out of where they are attempting to lead us undoes several years of lies, so they ar in damage control.

    Remember where Chelsea Clinton said "Mom's going to 'fix' the Second Amendment" through her replacement for Scalia?



    It matters to me that my mom also recognizes the role the Supreme Court has when it comes to gun control. With Justice Scalia on the bench, one of the few areas where the Court actually had an inconsistent record relates to gun control. ​

    Her ignorant babbling aside, there have been 3 Second Amendment cases, and all 3 have supported the right.

    Sometimes the court upheld local and state gun control measures as being compliant with the Second Amendment and sometimes the court struck them down. ​

    Here combination of wrong, stupid and lecturing condescension is difficult to sit through, but suffice to say she is wrong again.

    So if you listen to Moms Demand Action and the Brady Campaign and the major efforts pushing for smart, sensible and enforceable gun control across our country — in disclosure, have endorsed my mom — they say they believe the next time the Court rules on gun control, it will make a definitive ruling.
    She's saying the cases are in disarray and the time is ripe for clearing up the confusion, getting to something "definitive," but that's not true. She's really promoting changing the law that got settled in 2 very high profile, extensively briefed and argued cases that produced carefully thought out opinions. The Second Amendment does require application in particular cases (such as Caetano v. Massachusetts, which said the right included stun guns). So there are details to work out, but things have not been left in a state of confusion or in need of "a definitive ruling."

    So it matters to me that my mom's the only person running for President who not only makes that connection...​

    What connection? I am just guessing that the "connection" is between Scalia's death and an opportunity to get the needed (actually, unneeded) definitive ruling.

    ... but also has a strong record on gun control and standing up to the NRA. ​

    So, mom was supposed to appoint a Justice who would flip what had been a 5-4 balance in Second Amendment cases.

    So yes, had Trump not been elected and been filling the Judiciary with constitutionalists, Hillary in her replacement of Scalia would have likely reconstituted the Warren Court, and with her second pick, moved it from 5/4 to 6/3, and filled the other 50 judicial nominations that Trump filled.

    Now is no time to stop. We need Trump re-elected and hold the Senate to continue filling the Judiciary and take the House to move legislation.
     
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  2. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt Burrito could find his own backside with both hands, a GPS Unit, a road map and a bloodhound.
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    I thought the gun stores send the paperwork to the feds and the feds do the background checks?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Just because a guy is an ex-con it doesn't mean that he can't possess a gun. It depends on the State.
     
  5. FatBack

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    And gun type.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The point is that so many folks who keep yakking about the gun issue think that it is a simple problem. It is very complex and should be discussed on a State by State basis.
     
  7. FatBack

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    Is not the Constitution the ultimate say on this?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Read your State Constitution Bill of Rights. The federal Constitution sets the minimum but the States are free to expand it without limit. The issue of gun control is a State issue. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to regulate guns. Consequently, all federal gun control laws are unconstitutional. The feds made a power grab in response to the gangsters of the 1920s-1930s shooting up the place. The States let the federal bureaucrats get away with their power grab.
     
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    Democrats will have a hard time of convincing anyone of this now. Take a good look at Beto's video, you're going to see it everywhere for decades.

    As for buybacks, they either:

    1. Are voluntary, in which case people considering mass shootings are unlikely to hand them in, or...

    2. Are compulsory, in which case they are functionally no different to a confiscation.

    With the Supreme Court being off limits to the Democrats for decades to come until conservative justices start dying, confiscation or mandatory buybacks have no chance of working whatsoever except to turn the silent majority against the left.

    This leaves the Dems with two options:

    1. Pack the court, thereby reforming the judiciary to exponentially increase in number with each election that changes hands.

    2. Somehow come up with the political capital necessary to amend or repeal the 2nd amendment. Two thirds of Congress plus three quarters of state legislatures. Simply not going to happen - the deep South alone could block it.
     
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    They didn't have the constitutional authority to confiscate guns in New Orleans either, but they did it. Given the proper excuse they could try doing it and then let it slow ride through the court system until all those guns become a rusted heap by the time they are returned.
     
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    Lolz ... Pelosi's politburo is promising to "stack" the SCOTUS. It's just a question of which Stalinist the DNC nominates to usher in the new demo-commie authoritarian kleptocracy they envision. Demo-commies are brazenly scheming to butcher the US constitution by corrupting the SCOTUS. Creeping demo-communism is an existential threat to liberty and prosperity.
     
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    Trump has done a fairly good job getting them to do something at least. No one else has. Sadly Mexico would turn into an even shitier shithole if we ever stop giving them money which would create even bigger mobs clawing their way into the US. So we’re basically screwed until we have an easy way to stop the hordes from invading us. And the only solution is a physical barrier that is very difficult to cross OR pray for a miracle and hope Mexican leadership can become human and fix their own country so millions don’t want to flee. Same for just about every country to our south. Even a deteriorating US is better than a prospering Mexico. It’s going to take a while before the scales even out enough or we just become adults and say NO NO NO!!!!

    No more immigration from anywhere unless you have money and education. Simple. Easy. Done. We can not allow a single soul into this country unless they are financially secure and legal. There is not a single benefit, NOTHING that can be argued, that justifies why poor, uneducated immigrants are GOOD for the country. The only argument is that we should, because we should. Yeah OK. That’s a logical rational argument:). NOT intelligent. Not thought out. It’s pandering emotional BS.
     
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    never say never
     
  14. Paul7

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    Exactly, just try getting in Canada, Australia or Switzerland if you're a welfare case. And someone please tell me why one third of our LEGAL immigrants come from Mexico? We need merit based immigration, from any country.
     
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    How are the feds going to enforce background checks on private sales? Local sheriffs are refusing to enforce federal law. It works that way on immigration.
     
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    A single presidential candidate does no make an entire party and it’s a little intellectually dishonest to paint “Democrats” over the words of one man — now if he wins the election and actually implements said policies then stereotype all you like.

    I do not see a scenario in which they are mandatory

    We are living in an age where partisans have taken control and ignoring of past norms is not only commonplace but cheered and there are numerous ways to make gun ownership uncomfortable.

    The next few election cycles are going to be interesting.
     
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    He can if he's got a posse up to lay in wait and help him in the ambush.
     
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    Nope, its a national emergency so he can issue a presidential order. Trump opened the door and you loved it. Now deal with the consequences.
     
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    I agree, I exaggerated.
     
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    More like the rubes in those shitholes are feeling the mighty boot of tyranny upon their throats. That's expected of savage wastelands that don't have rights...
     
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    Persecuting law abiding citizen's isn't an emergency, its fascist tyranny...
     
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    Thus the NEED for the 2nd Amendment...
     
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    This is the issue that I notice is probably the most passionate for our conservative friends here (aside from general hatred and disgust for liberal). Beto here is just looking for attention, I doubt he's thought anything through.

    I wonder what the end game here is with the whole gun debate. If the Democrats can get the assault ban in place, its likely to be a slippery slope.
     
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    1) Beto will NEVER be POTUS

    2) Such an "Assault Weapons" Ban is extremely unlikely to ever become Federal Law.

    3) Refer to 1) and 2). :flagus:
     
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    new zealand has pretty blonde haired, blue eyed, women that glow, so it is not entirely a shithole, savage, wasteland.

    but yes it is a commie country where the men plunder
     
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