Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Then let’s not let any of your faith base ideas be part of governance when they affect others.
     
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    Okay. The same applies to you.

    Now there is no government at all.


    It is inevitably a part of government. That is precisely why our founding fathers didn't want the federal government controlling everything. That's why all powers not enumerated as federal government powers were reserved for the States. Each State could decide under what "faith based ideas" they wanted to govern themselves under. This model of self governance comes straight from Christianity, actually. Christians believe in self governance under God, akin to how the founding fathers believed in self governance under the US Constitution.
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    This is hilarious! Everyone 'but' the neoatheists are answering the tough questions!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong!

    There is a SECULAR government and no, the states are NOT allowed to IMPOSE any "faith based ideas" that they want on We the People either.

    FTR there is NOTHING in the bible that supports the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    neoatheists crack me up, there is no scientific reason not to murder everyone around you that you dont like, hell stalin did, its all based in a faith.

    Using science alone there are as many justifiable reasons to murder as to not murder, but neoatheists refuse to acknowledge their use of faith and pretend its just not there.
     
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  6. dagosa

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    No it doesn’t. The best governance in the world are secular, the worse are theocratic. It’s the opposite. Religious freedom means freedom to worship any religion or NONE AT ALL.
     
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    One cannot worship a 'religion', that is another patently ridiculous claim from the neoatheists atheology playbook.

    Your 'religion' is grounded in and determined by your beliefs and observable 'actions' as a result of those beliefs.

    Neoatheists religion starts with the 'lack', the void, the 'applicable' god for that for that circumstance is Pemba, the god of nothingness.

    Therefore neoatheists worship the god Pemba.
     
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    And you worship which God ? Anything as long is it isn’t factual ?
     
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    Im agnostic, so one god should be crystal clear to you without asking,

    In Greek mythology, Apollo was the son of Jupiter(in Greek Zeus) and Leto (Letona). He was the god of the Sun, logic, and reason, and was also a fine musician and healer. Leto travelled all over Greece to find a place to give birth to Apollo. ... The Romans also believed in Apollo as the god of light, music, and healing.

    Neoatheists of course 'steal' and falsely claim the attributes of Apollo for themselves, which is clearly a contradiction that they close their eyes to every day of their lives.

    Agnostic is the only position fully grounded in logic and reason.
     
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    You're into labeling because science scares most people. You're a claimed agnostic ? You need to read a dictionary .
     
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    Conscious awareness about which slit a photon passes thru certainly does alter the light band pattern. You can't deny this without being
    grossly ignorant of what entails the proper, original double slit experiment or the more technically refined repeats that narrowed it down to trajectories of individual photons (in any case, not the Young's distorted and misleading version wherein a side bombardment is added).
    The original type experiment was done completely within the jurisdiction of science. That's why it has stood unchallenged since the 1920's.
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is way too much info available on the military's remote viewing activities to just brush it off like you did. Ingo Schwann, details on the Russian secret submarine facility buried in the side of a mountain where they were making one of unprecedented size, etc. By way of bland coordinates, he didn't even know beforehand that he was looking at things on the moon. It's easy for you to say that the military eventually abandoned remote viewing efforts, as if they should be expected to admit continuation of such sensitive matters.
     
  13. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The mind does not alter but perceives in this case, the quantum effect of the double slit is real and we see it but we do not change it. Shroidinger's cat is a thought experiment that cannot be tested.
     
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    FALSE
    I previously posted quotes from the person who invented the word agnostic
    along with its correct meaning as stated 'directly from the inventor' himself which clearly is being ignored by neoatheists, as usual.

    You need to learn the correct meaning as stated by the inventor.

    I am an agnostic regardless of any strawman meaning neoatheists wish to apply to it.

    If you think that is incorrect good luck making a case.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. Detection of which slit the photon passes thru changes the outcome from multiple interference bands to decoherent-induced bands corresponding to the slot pair if a person is aware of that slot activity identification. It does not decohere if the detector is turned off or the recording of the measurement/detection is erased before being perceived by a person.,

    Furthermore, as stated by Above Alpha, a fly in the room where a quantum computer is being robotically assembled ruins the computer, and a person viewing the videos of successfully assembled and functional quantum computers causes them to stop working permanently.
     
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    Einstein didn't get his groundbreaking discoveries just by tinkering around in a laboratory. He sat down and plumbed his forward-thinking mental capacity. When he claimed that there is no such thing as space, that wasn't immediately testable. His theories were later brought into the fold of scientific jurisdiction.
     
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    “ agnostic-person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.“

    Then, you believe that the existence of god CANNOT be proven.
     
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    It’s not magic.
    Einstein like all scientists made definable observations about the world around him. He then made conjectures about them, then conducted verifiable experiments to prove or disprove them.
    Einstein proof of general relativity.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01172-z
     
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    Then I suppose I am not agnostic, or atheist. I am Idoon'tknowist.
     
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    I don’t call making up stuff as answering the tough questions.
     
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    . For sure...
    Personally, I don’t see much difference. At least, not so much to make it worthwhile to debate about.
     
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    Tell that to “ Born agains.”
     
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    No, I've seen no evidence of "concious awareness" altering physical phenomena.
     
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    This doesn't support anything you've argued about mind control.

    I like "plumbed his forward-thinking mental capacity"! So much more cool than "thought about it".
     
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    What of that am I supposed to see as an argument?

    If I were the USA, I'd certainly support the notion that our intel is all ESP.

    Do you think we would say, "No, we have a spy close to Putin."?? (Well, unless you're Trump.)
     
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