I'm A Gun Owner

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Just A Man, Sep 15, 2019.

  1. Lesh

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    The recoil in a 7.62 NATO round and the .308 is so much greater that firing needs to be slower and the shooters ABILITY matters more.

    The lethality of all those rounds is essentially the same
     
  2. Tim15856

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    Seems to be an arbitrary number. Why 20? Why not 15? Why not 10? Or in the case of NY, why not 7?
     
  3. Josh77

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    It matters just as much with a .223. A well aimed shot is a well aimed shot. Recoil matters very little. You think a shooter with no ability is going to hit more with a .223? If anything they will hit less because they will be jerking the trigger faster because there is less recoil.
     
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    I thought I made the reasoning behind my opinion clear when I noted that the Poster only mentioned gun ownership as an afterthought to lend credibility to his hoplophobic beliefs.

    Normally, I believe what people say about themselves but no one who uses such strident gun banner rhetoric and tiresome anti gun clichés is likely to actually own firearms.

    What I stated is simply my opinion based on what the Poster has said so far & how he has said it.

    If he had been more specific and forthcoming about the guns he allegedly owns, I may have believed him.
     
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    My point?

    I would rather have an AR-15 and a semiautomatic handgun with more than 6 rounds.
     
  6. jdog

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    Make your case...
     
  7. jdog

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    That depends on the situation.
    An ex felon which has been convicted of violent crimes has demonstrated that they are a violent threat to society should surrender his right to self protection in exchange for release from prison, and should be banned from owning weapons.

    An ex felon which has been convicted of non violent crimes and has not demonstrated that they are a violent threat to society should retain their right to self defense.
     
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    If it wasn’t for an existing law that has no effect on crime I would own less AR-15s.
     
  9. jdog

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    No they would not be limited. Your knowledge of this subject is limited. Take away firearms and the perps will simply move on to explosives and chemical weapons which are far more deadly.
     
  10. God & Country

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    No, it is a 9mm which as you know, as is with all other ammunition, can kill. The issue here is not the ammunition it is the liberal's wet dream of confiscation starting with those awful scary looking "assault weapons". My carbine in the hands of the deranged would have an identical effect in a mass shooting but is more harmless in appearance. Do you see the stupidity in the assault weapons argument?
     
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  11. PARTIZAN1

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    When I say comparisons are not the same for comparing death by guns vs say death by food. People eat too much and get diabetes or cancer or heart attacks right! So to compare death by gun to death by food and say we should ban eating because it causes death is at best silly and not a logical comparson
     
  12. perdidochas

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    An AR-15 is much easier to aim accurately than a handgun. Most ARs are short enough to be useful inside of a house. Right now, I have a handgun for home defense, however, when I'm older and not able to accurately fire a handgun, I intend to get the shortest and lightest AR on the market (if they are legal). Recoil is negligible, and it would be easy to shoot accurately, especially with a laser sight or red dot site. Using the right ammo, an AR will penetrate fewer walls than a typical self defense handgun loaded with typical self defense ammo.
     
  13. perdidochas

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    Feral pigs are problems in most states that have high populations of them. As invasives, they are devastating to the natural environment. An AR is about an ideal firearm to use in feral pig shooting.
     
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    An AR with appropriate self defense ammo actually is less dangerous to neighbors than a typical handgun. They penetrate fewer layers of sheetrock than the handgun ammo.
     
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    Ok that is a logical explanation.
     
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  16. perdidochas

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    Well, from my readings, the above would be appropriate, but a heavy .223 works fairly well. Hogs seem to be more susceptible to hydrostatic shock than some other creatures, and high velocity ammo takes them down pretty well.

    https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/bringing-home-bacon-best-guns-gear-hog-hunting/249758
     
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    That was in the 30's and yes. If you think attitudes about government were the same then as now, I've got a nice bridge to sell you. You'll notice as well, if you knew enough to read the committee notes from the passage of the NFA, that they wanted a total ban and outright admitted doing so would violate the constitution and ****ing with handguns would be likely to raise enough attention to the matter that people might actually notice what was happening. Remember this is all pre internet and a home radio was a large extravagance. News moved slow. Organizing moved slow and mainly went through the mail which could be easily monitored with none the wiser. Such is not the case any longer.

    All weapons are designed to kill. Yes even that hunting rifle.
    AKs and other magazine fed centerfire rifles chambered in an intermediate cartridge are great for home defense, actually. You can tell by how SWAT teams bring them to structures they breach: they want the best tool possible and guess what they bring?

    2a isn't about hunting amigo.

    1) Way to illustrate that you're too much afeared to put your own skin in the game 2) you understand that doing this will cause a generous portion of the military and police you're expecting to enforce the orders to arrest their commanding officers? That's how civil war works. We'll have attack helicopters ffs. 3) At some point the pilot has to land the bird and exit it to take a **** and refuel/rearm the bird. Rifles (indeed those hunting rifles you're not bothered by) are actually great for putting a round through someone's head at distance while they take a ****. Field expedient zip guns? Great to give to women who seduce and then murder a soldier and steal his kit. Etc.
     
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    I did not include any deseases in my examples, only direct causes so I am not sure what your trying to say.
     
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    The average HO does not know what the "right kind of ammunition" is. I am not going to test my across the road neighbors townhouse for the appropriate ammo. They are the oldest in this hood and would expire at the sound of a gun so forget bullets.
     
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    I would take up hunting again if I lived near a place that had feral boars.
    Nothing like knocking down some wild bacon on the cloven hooves.
     
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    My guess is that the average person who uses an AR for home defense does know that. You can google it in a few minutes.
     
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    Does not matter causes are causes. It the same as the silly comparisons to cars, motorcycles what have you.
     
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    One would hope but how do we assure that? You know we cannot and we do not want to because again we would be violating the 2nd amendment.
     
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    You really are not making sense now... are you trying to say comparisons are not valid?
     
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    To each his own.
     

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