Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official

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  1. Margot2

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    The Secret of Yemen’s War? We Can End It
    And we must, before it blows up the rest of the Middle East.

    By Martin Griffiths

    Mr. Griffiths is the United Nations special envoy for Yemen.

     
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    Like killing Rafic Hariri?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and if we go with the Yemen this is most certainly true. However that is also why the Houthis were born.

    This article from 2009 when the Guardian was still a relatively free press. It is talking about the Saudi Military intervention into Yemen that year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/23/saudi-arabia-yemen-houthi-war

    who are the Houthis

    https://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/middleeast/2014/02/98466.html

    The Houthis are descended from the people who ruled North Yemen for around a thousand years - 7 or 8 hundred years before Wahhabism even came into being. Later they got on with the Sunni inhabitants of Yemen even sharing mosques, no problem. Indeed when we were looking at this a couple of years ago many Sunni had joined the Houthis. They like the Houthis did not support Wahhabism Islam. The Houthis argument is against Wahhabism and the taking away of their religious rights. They are not terrorists.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/23/saudi-arabia-yemen-houthi-war

    If the Saud's as I think you said moved villages back from the border then it would appear from the Guardian article that that was because they were open to the Houthis. I believe I read some time ago about the Saud's taking part of the North Yemen land when it was still run by the Zaidi. Maybe that was the land.
     
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    I don't know who killed Rafic Hariri, but he was -- like his son -- an agent of Wahhabi Arabia. Never mind his son was then kidnapped by Mohammad bin Salman when visiting Saudi Arabia and is lucky he didn't face the fate of Khoshoggi.
     
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    Yemen was a savage place years ago.. They butchered the crew of a downed plane. .. all Americans.

    Saudi–Yemeni War (1934) - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Saudi–Yemeni_War_(1934)

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    The Saudi–Yemeni War was a war between Saudi Arabia and Yemen in 1934. ... Jizan is a coastal region on the Red Sea north of Yemen. ... The king of Yemen then sent the Idrissi back to his lands with an army. ... In announcing his intention of taking action against Yemen, Ibn Saud's legation in London said: 'The Saudi ...
     
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    And if and when Lebanon fires those missiles? Israel has no defense (and they are getting more accurate
    thanks to Iran) other than old fashioned deterrence, ie you bomb us and we bomb you --- more effectively.
    And that's the end of Lebanese infrastructure, including bridges, docks, airports... everything.
    I have no knowledge of Iran offering "assistance" to Lebanon. I know what a lot of that "assistance" is.
    Shaped charge mines, anti-tank missiles (fired last week) firearms, ammunition and the like.
    I would suggest that to honestly "help" the Lebanese you don't do it with missile factories but with a
    two fold program of humanitarian assistance and act to bridge differences between Hezbollah and Israel.
    That leads to permanent peace - the best support.
     
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    Well, @Sobo is just going to have to accept a few free roommates in his apartment. What’s the big deal? Eastern Germans need to learn a thing or two about multiculturalism. :lol:

    And he claims there are no foreigners where he lives. That means plenty of space to colonize is available right there!
     
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    And yet, you typed it out using the technologies invented in the US.
     
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    Israel has been attacking Lebanon forever.. in the early 1950s they stole topsoil and shot the farmers who protested.. They also occupied Lebanon up to the Litani river. You do realize that Lebanon was a poor small country that had thousands of refugees forced upon them in 1948 and 1967.
     
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    The Houties act like the Taliban so why would anyone feel sympathy for terrorists?
     
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    Nasser was fighting for the communists in Yemen with the aid of the Soviets.
     
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    Praying they kill each other.
     
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  13. Iranian Monitor

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    Lets take what you said and consider it carefully.

    First, you are right about Hezbollah's arsenal, but have you ever considered that if Hezbollah was some "mad" terrorist group out to kill the Jews, why have they never unleashed that arsenal on Israel already? Israel would be devastated if Hezbollah ever fired those missiles, especially it did it the way Israel usually does (i.e. "preemptively" - as the first to shoot). Sure, they haven't done it because the 'deterrence' of Israeli retaliation against Lebanon works. But it is the same in reverse: Israel observes certain ground rules with Hezbollah that it doesn't observe with others that don't have Hezbollah's arsenal. In other words, deterrence is working both ways to keep an uneasy peace and prevent more warfare. And it is Israel that is unsatisfied with this and trying to change the rules, not Hezbollah.

    Second, those 'precision' missiles Israel is upset about are meant to give Hezbollah a greater ability hit specific targets of economic, military and political value. Israel is particularly upset about this because that is what they care about more than Hezbollah being able to decimate civilian population centers through less accurate missiles and rockets! Just look at the recent incidents attributed to Iran: the attack on the UAE tankers was done in a way that even western experts admit was designed to send a message without causing any casualties or an environmental disaster, which is what would have happened if Iran just wanted to blow up those tankers. And the attack on the Saudi installations: they took out half of Saudi Arabia's oil production, but didn't kill or injure anyone! They were that specific and that good. Why is that bad?

    Last, you can read these reports from even mainstream western press sources about Iran's humanitarian assistance to Lebanon. A part of Iran's involvement more generally in the region you barely hear or read about! Even when it is reported, there is a good bit of propaganda that has to come with it.

    Here is one account from America's propaganda network, Voice of America:

    https://www.voanews.com/world-news/middle-east-dont-use/iranian-money-amplifies-influence-lebanon

    Or even in the right wing press you might be exposed to:
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/4139-iran-playing-the-hero-in-southern-lebanon
    Iran Playing the Hero in Southern Lebanon
    MARWAN NAAMANI/AFP/GETTY IMAGES
    Tehran is building up its presence near Israel’s border through reconstruction efforts in Lebanon.

    And similar accounts from the mainstream press:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...uilding/1990d7ba-aaff-46af-874e-ea10195e25bb/

    Or from an Israeli publication
    https://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Nasrallah-Iranian-cash-rebuilt-Lebanon-after-war
     
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    pff like the world would have believed it under Obama or Bush(after iraq)
    i certainly wouldnt have
     
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    The history here says that your wishful thinking is just that. That you would ignore their open hostility seems antithetical to the normal liberal method here. I would point out that the previous 4 decades of behavior undercuts your optimism here.
     
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    Oh Margot we read a very different history. Before the Saud's got started most Muslims in the ME used to practice some degree of Sufism. Islam had not killed a gay for centuries. Islam was far more liberal at this time than the West...and what walked in and changed all that. Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rmation-extremism-muslim-martin-luther-europe

    What I wrote was true and any belief that the Saud's were anything other than 'savage' as they were grabbing as much land as they could get is clearly presenting their own agenda.
     
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    Ibn Saud united the Saudi tribes. He was one of the finest, most accomplished statesmen of the last century. Did you ever meet him?
     
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    The name is Houthis. No they do not act like the Taliban. The Taliban was a Saudi schooled creation, with of course US agreement.

    When you are trying to protect your country from outside aggression, you are not a terrorist. The Zaidi from whom the Houthis come ruled that land for around 1,000, years..long before any America of Saudi Arabia were created.
     
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    Sorry I spelled the terrorists name incorrectly. They are behaving like terrorists though no matter how you spell their name.
     
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    While no answer to how one would approach ending 4 decades of hostility between Iran and the US can ever be truly presented in a simple 2-3 line passage such as the one I wrote, the basic thrust what I wrote is exactly how the US should (but won't) deal with Iran. You may not like the answers that emerge in the short run, but overall the correct answers will emerge. And not just for Iran, and within Iran, but for the US and within the US as well. Mainly because America will not find its true path without reducing its foreign entanglements. This would be a great place for you to start.
     
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    You believe I have past lives? Even you cannot claim that one.

    Islam prior to this had changed and progressed and indeed in the main managed to keep the peace. Saudi Arabia in my youth was the only country which used to do things like chopping of hands and legs. I was warned its mentality was medieval. Unfortunately as you can see above the desire was for it to spread. That is what has caused Islam hatred in the West though Ironically the one country Western Powers love is Saudi Arabia and it is this symbiotic relationship which has harmed Islam more than anything and spread Wahhabism and its terrorist groups far and wide.

    cont'dhttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIGus3HFLyTyvOOaw3h3mECcxV-FJJ2THrAh3Zd6Bh17NwpFoENLyoeu_Lk3m0NjA8TTmMXEXWCGtM0tc4W2UGutNYfjYrrWUhiFF1P72QpvsryonBG4TW1MmGR4S0XZVpsa8R3rP1rvQZ6w9qPlvXsPBEAhw4nXV1ZGUw8IjoKv
     
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    The Taliban were Afghani war orphans.. Had nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.

    Where do you live in the ME, Alexi?
     
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    Al Wahab had two motivations.. to get rid of the innovations and the Ottoman Turks. So where do you live in the ME?
     
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    Sources of intelligence --which has been Saudi intelligence so far -- has shown the missiles were fired from just inside the Iranian border, flying over Iraq and Kuwait to strike the oil reserves in Saudi Arabia. I prefer to hold judgement until we're given confirmation by others sources like French intelligence.

    All of this was avoidable. Trump cancelled the Iran nuclear deal, that was what set these wheels in motion. Iran is under heavy U.S. sanctions and it's hurting them economically. By pulling out of the treaty abruptly under the false pretense of Iran 'violating the treaty', Trump has lost the trust of the Iranians. 'Trust' and 'respect' are two things valued above all by Iran during negotiations. If Iran can't trust, or if they're disrespected by the U.S., they will not even approach a negotiation table.

    Iran doesn't want to negotiate with Trump unless sanctions are lifted first. Then, and only then, can the negotiations commence. Iran wants the nuclear deal reinstated and negotiations to restart with world powers -- the P5+1 being part of the negotiations. Iran believes that the maximum pressure campaign by the US is meant to force Iran to negotiate without sanctions being lifted against them first. They know as we all know, that there are days when Trump had no pre-conditions and sometimes he has multiple conditions.
     
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    More likely from Basrah .. its only 338 miles to Abqaiq. There is a Shia stronghold in Basrah.

    Iran is now saying they will NOT talk with Trump.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nited-states-and-iran-reach-point/2340811001/

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