The moral decay of society

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    religious indoctrination was removed from schools because of Christian infighting, Christians did that because they did not want their children taught other peoples flavors of Christianity
     
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    All crimes are a reflection of hate against civil authority. You on the left are engaged in "thought policing" so you instill "hate crimes" to suggest your moral authority, yet at the same time, you suggest your morality is subject to change at your whim. There is no anchor with you. The Godless are their own gods.
     
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    It was never correct to attack the children. For the sake of family, it is always right to uphold family standards and responsibility......something the left always wants to refute.
     
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    Religious political power is a figment of your imagination....that is unless you're talking the religion of "secular humanism".
     
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  5. FreshAir

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    Forcing people to marry that do not love each other and don't want to be married is immoral.....

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

     
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    ...but not dictate what they are...


    ...something the right thinks they have the authority to do...
     
  7. FreshAir

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    when did we add God to our pledge and money?
     
  8. Starjet

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    Nope. I’m referring to the rise of the totalitarian Islamic tyrants, and the infestation of the religious right into the GOP.

    In a very broad sense, secular humanism is man’s best hope for the future, as long as it’s fundamentals are rational and not supernatural (mystical).
     
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    I won't bother presenting you and your pals with the evidence, you have demonstrated time and again that you will just ignore it and pick at it from the edges. Go chase your own tail.
     
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    Hmmm, the annual Prayer Breakfast organized by the C Street Family seems to contradict your claim that there is no religious political power in the US.
     
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    The “out-if-wedlock” tag is just an old fashion way of saying, “Don’t treat sex like a dishrag, and don’t create children you can’t raise and/or afford.

    To create children you can’t raise or afford is the immorality, not necessarily just having them out of wedlock. To do so do is to purposely delude yourself into believing actions have no consequences, or to blindly refuse to believe that they do. This is because morals are neither mystical nor subjective—they’re as real as real is. In other words, they’re objective.

    Ayn Rand: “Since reason is man’s basic means of survival, that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil. Since everything man needs has to be discovered by his own mind and produced by his own effort, the two essentials of the method of survival proper to a rational being are: thinking and productive work.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/morality.html

    Yaron Brook: Why Be Moral (It’s long; the gist is: It’s in your own self-interest, if happiness is your goal.)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    ONLY by SOME people... just like now...SOME people thinks it's immoral and SOME don't...…

    There was NO "one point in time".


    AND since there have been children born out of wedlock since human's first day it's hardly a sign of a decaying society.....or anything else...



    Ya, "morals" are subjective... "To create children you can't raise or afford "...is done by humans, it's what humans have done since day one......some may think that's immoral and some may not.

    It might be stupid but there is NOT a Supreme Ruler who decides other people's "morals".


    My post above was unrefuted.
     
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    You misunderstand the point of morals (Happiness) and their source (Reality).

    Ayn Rand: “You who prattle that morality is social and that man would need no morality on a desert island—it is on a desert island that he would need it most. Let him try to claim, when there are no victims to pay for it, that a rock is a house, that sand is clothing, that food will drop into his mouth without cause or effort, that he will collect a harvest tomorrow by devouring his stock seed today—and reality will wipe him out, as he deserves; reality will show him that life is a value to be bought and that thinking is the only coin noble enough to buy it.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/morality.html

    Morals do exist, independent of anyone’s belief or not. We are not animals, we are beings of reason.
     
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    Reason, happiness, reality and logic are not "morals"...…"morals, for most people, change in the shifting winds, so are meaningless.
     
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    Correct me if I have you wrong, but you seem to be implying that in order to live a moral life, one must be religious. Is that your view?
     
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    Please provide proof of that claim.
     
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    Morals. Is this action I am about to take right or wrong? By what standard? To what end?

    To state you don’t believe in morals is to say you don’t believe in reality.

    Ayn Rand: “Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think—not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. ”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/evasion.html

    To be moral is to think or not to think. The choice is yours, as are the results of your decisions. Either way, your choice will take you to its logical end.

    You are free to act as you please; you are never free of your actions’ consequences. Deciding what actions to take to end up with good consequences and not bad ones, that’s morality. To live a happy life is to live rationally; to live rationally is to live morally.

    As in: to live the life of an artist, one must live the live of an artist, like Michelangelo did; to pretend to be an artist and live a life as a fraud, like James Pollack, you need to lie to yourself and everyone else. You need to fake your life. You need to tell yourself, morality is an illusion. You need to deny reality as objective.

    Are you a good Subjectivist?
     
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    Well, my dogs seem to have higher morals than many humans.
     
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    Religion exists to control our behavior and dictate how we feel about those who don't share our beliefs. The world would be better off with no religions at all.
     
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    Do you have a link to a valid report proving that most mass shooters are from single parent homes? Or that most sociopaths are from single parent homes?
     
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    "... character, proper behavior, self respect, common decency ..." These are traits lacking in our president. Do you consider Trump to be a sign of our society's moral decay?
     
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    Find better humans.
     
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    Big time, but Clinton’s Blue dress was a warmup.
     
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    YUP! We each decide that for ourselves !


    I NEVER stated I didn't believe in morals.







    If a very "moral " man who believes it is immoral to have sex outside of marriage is stranded for months on an island and a women swims to shore, his happiness overcomes his morals....whadya wanna bet ? :)


    I am sorry, but Rand is not my god nor mentor, nor brain, nor go to for common sense..
     
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