Massive Fires In Saudi Arabia - Aramco Oil Facilities Hit By Drones

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  1. Margot2

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    You don't know the Saud family or their track record or dedication.. and you know zilch about Yemen.
     
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    The question is, who was it facilitated for? In other words, who actually committed the attack. Not that it really matters, Washington will blame whoever it wants to start a war. It will probably be a Shia populated part of Iraq, so Margot might be right this time, it could be Basra.


    Evidence is not needed, nor has it ever been needed when we attack. The British call it: 'Strategic Ambiguity.' It means a foreign policy that isn't based on actualities, but lies. What is important here is to get Iran involved so the deal with China can't be carried through. Also to make sure those killed will be Shia's so as to lessen their population - as well as punish them for not doing our bidding.

    Killing Christians and other minorities with them is allowed, but not Sunnis. That would disturb Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states.


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    That is not evidence!
     
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    Saudi Arabia is an extremely wealthy country. Saudi Arabia has the world's third largest defense budget. In 2017 Saudi Arabia listed a total of 127,000 personnel, 75,000 Royal Saudi Land Force, 13,500 Navy, 20,000 Air Force,16,000 Air Defense, and 2500 Strategic Missile Forces.

    My question is why is it that it's the U.S. threatening war, not Saudi Arabia? Considering the facts that the Saudi's financed and 15 of the 19 terrorists of the 9/11 attacks were Saudi citizens and recalling that the Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the butchering of a U.S. resident, why is the U.S. supporting Saudi Arabia so vehemently?

    The U.S. may be forced to tolerate the Saudi regime for geopolitical reasons, but to kiss up to them and actually defend their reprehensible behavior is abhorrent. Now we're going to start a war on their behalf? The United States is a net exporter of petroleum, we do not need Saudi oil and that country has nothing else useful; it’s a giant sand heap governed by a 13th-century autocracy. They are NOT our friends. The Saudi government has been using us for our bombs and airplanes to bomb civilians in their war with Yemen.

    Saudi Arabia is a medieval Islamic theocracy, that has single-handedly funded international Islamic terrorism world over, including the 9/11 attacks, for the last 40 years. Do you think it is desirable for the USA to be associated in any way with such people only for their oil? This is why I have always supported policies that would make us energy independent. It becomes a national security issue when we have to cozy up to regimes like Saudi’s, Russia or Venezuela just so we can meet our energy needs. I cannot understand why Conservatives do not see this plainly.
     
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    You ever spend any time in Arabia?
     
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    I haven't spent any time in Hell either but I know it's a place I don't care to spend time in.
     
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    So school me. I asked you where I went wrong not your opinion on my knowledge.

    I know a lot more than you appear to. This is a forum for discussion not baseless insult.
     
  8. Margot2

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    I figured.. you sound like every internet expert on Saudi Arabia.
     
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    I know that Saudi Arabia funds groups like Jahbat al Nusra in Syria and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. I know it funds Madrassa schools all over the place that teach the most extreme forms of Wahhabi Islam.

    I know that the Saud family has been the worlds greatest funder of extremist Islamic terrorism.

    Would you care to dispute any of this?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916

    "And while this has been ignored by Mr. Trump, Saudi Arabia undermines whatever good work it does by continuing to spend billions of dollars spreading Wahhabism, its ultraconservative brand of Islam — which in turn inspires ISIS, Al Qaeda and other Sunni extremists — through a network of imams and mosques in countries like Kosovo, Indonesia and Pakistan.
    Dependent on the Wahhabi clerics for legitimacy, the royal family has been slow to reform a religion that teaches that nonbelievers and wayward Muslims should be shunned or fought if they reject its strict message. Experts say some Saudi school texts seem to make a virtue of hating others. The Saudis, aided by American intelligence and arms, may also be creating extremists with their brutal war in Yemen."


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/opinion/saudi-arabia-qatar-isis-terrorism.html

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...cut-deals-al-qaeda-yemen-180806074659521.html

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/madrassas.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...supporting-anti-assad-jihadists-10242747.html
     
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    NPC comment found

    NPC comment - a "witty" comment meant to attack the idea of the person using it, by trivializing the idea with a completely unrelated, often comical, misrepresentation.


    In other words, you don't want to answer his/her question (or perhaps you can't) so you create some witty comment to get out of the conversation.

    Comments like this have been creating Trump supporters for 4 years now.
     
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    What we are doing to Iran is working, we are destroying their economy and there isn't much they can do about it.

    Trying to change this, they will attack anyone they can in order to change the current state of affairs in any way they can.

    I think we should bomb any site that launches missiles and continue to put a 100% ban on anything Iranian. Continue to push, the people will suffer and they will finally go after their government.

    Or, they will support their government and be isolated on the world stage, both options are more than fine with me.
     
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    What you have been doing is marching inexorably towards war with Iran ever since you unilaterally reneged on an international agreement fully sponsored and endorsed by the UN security council. The illegal sanctions you have imposed are rejected by almost every other nation in the world with the exception of Saudi Arabia and Israel both of whom would like nothing better that to use you as a gun and drag you into yet another bloody ME war for which the American people have no interest.

    Sanctions are economic warfare. You are already at war. Iran has been doing everything in it's power to get Europeans and China to find a way around sanctions and live to the terms of the JCPOA which Iran was in full compliance to.

    Now, having been backed a badger into a corner, you find it has a dangerous bite and increasingly willing to fight back though there is no evidence yet that Iran was specifically behind the attacks.

    That was the argument with Iraq too that the people would be so happy to get rid of Saddam that they would meet American invasion with flowers and hugs. What makes you think the people of Iran, a civilization that has been around for thousands of years will rally around foreign economic aggression and go after their government.

    You are actually strengthening the position of hardliners who are able to say America can never be trusted to uphold international agreement and is only interested in war and aggression.

    Why do you think the people of Iran will greet your aggression with flowers and hugs any more than Iraq did?

    More likely they will rally around their flag to repel the aggressors as the people of Yemen are doing.
     
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    I dispute all of it. How many years did you live in Arabia?
     
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    You have not disputed anything. You didn't even read the material I provided you.

    You have not shown a shred of evidence for anything. To dispute you must make and support an argument. You have done neither.

    I've never been to Mars either. That does not mean I cannot research historical and scientific documentation to make a reasonable opinion of what is there.

    Why do you think living in a country makes you necessarily the best judge of what the government and it's military intelligence are doing?
     
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    Is it wrong now to obtain knowledge?
     
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    The crux of the matter is why does me ever being in Saudi Arabia have anything to do, in any way, with my comment? Give me some reason it's significant and I can give a more valid response. It was a ridiculous question, that's why my answer was frivolous.
     
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    Clearly only her opinion counts because she says she has been there and all other sources to be ignored - typical
     
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    Take your time.. for instance most madrassas are in Pakistan where education is not so available.. the schools are small .. maybe 20 boys between the ages of 6 and 11.
     
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    Iran is working at cross purposes. They want commerce and diplomacy on their terms and they still fund HAMAS, Hezbollah and the al Houthis. Do you think this has benefitted the Lebanese or the Palestinians or the children in Yemen?

    Yemen had a legit government.. not a perfect one but legit.. Now they have cholera, starvation, no schools, no clean water, no jobs... Are the Houthis and Iran WINNING something here?
     
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    This is not our problem and we should only report on it... Let Saudi and Israel pay for the war, not us, it is their war, not ours..
     
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    The Saudis absolutely do not want a war in the ME. Where on earth did you get such an idea?

    The neocons in the PNAC and the Brits lied about Iraq.. Everybody in the oil business or foreign service knew it. Didn't you?
     
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    I've been to the State of Maine for vacations most of my childhood summers but I'm no expert on L.L. Bean and don't pretend to be but I can still read about L.L. Bean boots, flannel shirts and fishing rods and get quite a bit of knowledge from reading about it. One needn't have to be born or have visited of gone to college in a country to be aware of the politics of that country.
     
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    There are things you get to gain a better perspective on living in a country. And things which aren't much affected by it. If Margot wants to describe (as opposed to merely divert other descriptions by asking an irrelevant or silly question) the various attributes and traits in Saudi society --- including the culture, relationships between genders, tourist attractions, what people do for entertainment, etc -- I would listen to her and take what she has to say in consideration. But having lived in Saudi Arabia in the past, gives you no better perspective on whether Saudi Arabia is bombarding and committing genocide in Yemen, or what they are doing elsewhere, than living in America will necessarily give you the best perspective on what America has done in places it has invaded! Nor would that produce any uniformity of views among those who have actually lived in the US either.

    And all that is leaving aside the fact that being chummy with Saudi royals does tend to suggest a natural inclination to be biased in their favor. Especially since these Saudi princes aren't folks who have earned their bad reputations because they have necessarily mistreated personal foreign guests (well, if you don't count Harriri - their Lebanese ally and Lebanon's prime minister - who they kidnapped).
     
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    You know the Sudeiri Seven? You know their track record since 1950?
     
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    our economy is teetering, rising gas prices could be the thing that breaks the camels back
     

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