The moral decay of society

Not really, there were many islamic and christian scholars that based their faith on reason. Thomas Aquinas is such an example. It would be harder for me to quote islamic scholars on that topic, as I know less about islamic history.
Many great philosophers such as Spinoza were believer, and they were no close of being unreasonnable.

I don't believe in god myself so I don't think I'm biased on that issue.

There is a difference between faith, and fanaticism or superstition. Without getting until Thomas Aquinas, people such as M.L.King or or Georges Lemaitre had both a strong faith. I don't think we can deny that any of them had were reasonnable.

 

I've seen those same statistics.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain

Here is a short list of very successful men who were raised by single parents:

Bill Clinton
Barrack Obama
Jay-Z
Leonardo DiCaprio
Michael Phelps
Justin Bieber (well, that one may actually prove your point)
Jon Stewart
Keanu Reeves

And those are just the most famous ones. And let's not forget the fact that all but one of the last half century's mass killers have been white men.

 

Our morality hasn't decayed at all. It's far better than anytime in the history of the world. Which is correlated with the decline of religion.

We live in the least violent time in the history of the world. There is less spousal abuse, child abuse, less racism then ever before. There is no measuable standard which indicates any moral decay. That's just some nonsense religious people say because they are sad about losing authority.

 

Seriously? "Why am I dying?" Logical and reasonable answers to that depend upon what's killing you.

We all die eventually, so the most logical answer is "Because I'm not immortal." Faith in a deity doesn't change that.

 

Mass killings pale in comparison with the number killed by homicide. People of color hold the record percentage wise on that. Of course you WOULD make it a racial thing.
There are definite moral flaws in everyone of the men you mention. Fame does not equate to success. I do know fatherless men that recognize a strong need for a father in the life of their off spring. These men are remarkable and revert to traditional family values.
Note: Everyone of the famous men you mention turned out to be liberal.....go figure.

 

Reason doesn't always answer that. Of course our discussion will never be resolved due to our disagreement on life after death. I transcend your reason with my faith. Even scientists have entertained the possibility that electronic brain activity seems to be eternal.

 

You aren't transcending anything. I simply prefer knowledge to belief. Religion provides easy answers to unanswerable questions. Science answers questions, and those answers usually lead to new questions. I prefer the search for truth over blind faith in someone's made-up version of truth.

 

Actually, who does the se

Actually who does the seperating? The Obama administration started it. Did you know that 30% of the children coming here illegally are brought by adults that are not their parents? That has been proven by DNA testing. That is precisely why it is done in order to identify and protect children against sex trafficking. Do you think Jesus would consent to that protection? Did you know St. Peter advocated "obeying the laws of the land when they do not violate God's law?" To respect authority? Can you rationalize that crossing the border illegally violates our laws? Do you have the same compassion for bank robbers and other criminals that are separated from family?

What kind of parent would subject their children to that journey anyway where 30% of all girls are raped? They mortgage everything to pay coyotes. Since you are a New Testament guy....you must realize, Jerusalem, the Holy City had walls around it for a reason. At the Democratic Convention they are now erecting walls around that future event. We need walls on our Southern border now to stop this nonsense, deter illegal entry, and enforce our laws!

 

I'll just stay more than light years ahead of you, thank you.

 

SCOTUS also defined slaves as property--they are not Gods, they are men, and sometimes they error.

Faith? The plane won't crash? Nah, too much evidence to the contrary--planes fly all the time and never crash. And when they do, it isn't lack of faith that brings them down, but lack of knowledge. When I fly, it's not faith in God that keeps me comfortably relaxed, it's using the evidence of my senses to arrive at rational conclusions. Furthermore, it is best remembered--it was the men of faith who crashed two Jetliners into the Twin Towers--which were built by reasoning minds--prayer destroyed them, reason brought them back.

 

"The grass withers the flowers fade, but the Word of our God stands forever. All men are like grass." You too Starjet. You will meet your demise. Science fails sometimes. It never arrives.

 

I love it when science collaborates faith. The Word of God referenced the earth as round (or time differences of the globe) years before science acknowledged it. That gave Columbus the "faith" to sail.

 

Those men used "reason" to do what they did. Faith was an excuse.

 

The death of me is not evidence of God, but it will be evidence of a lack of knowledge, which will be obtained one day. Maybe in my grandchildren's life.

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You're mixing the wrong concretes with the wrong concepts, getting hopelessly lost, and relying on faith to muddle you through. If you truly cannot see that the Twin Tower attack was an attack by Islam against the West's glorification of reason, then its best you keep your faith---you're going to need it.

 

By the way, we can't deny that societies knew considerable improvement however, I think it's quite arrogant to think that our morality is any good. Don't we destroy our environnement and let to our children a tremendous financial debt to pay ? Don't we live in a time where pure egoism and narcissism have won and only instant gratification matter, not matter the consequences.
Maybe we're just less violent because we have more food and more entertainment. It's easier to be peacefull with the belly full and the mind occupied by entertainment. What could we say of a society that abandon their elderly in creepy retirement home ? That kind of behaviour shock many tribal societies.
There is apparently a concerning rise of tensions between people in our societies however.
Most societies saw themselves as the pinnacle of morality.

From my point of view, the balance sheet of the morality and it's evolution is somewhat mixed.

 

Faith for them was an excuse. It was found out they indulged in Pornography and excesses before their attack putting faith aside. From there on out it was reason and self indulgence.

 

Interesting. It is natural to want to conquer death. Ponce De leon wanted to in the 1600's. I look at Dolly Parton and what science has done for her.....well, I don't want any part of it. I know in the end, I will not cheat death. God has been real good to me. For me, it is natural I want to be with Him.

 

You make some good points. I want to emphasize what I highlighted. I'm sure Ancient Babylon thought they were the pinnacle of morality. Well they too sacrificed there children.

 

I guess your free to make the other list

 

your not allowed to mess with others quotes

 

So in short no statistics will matter.....

 

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I can't imagine the incredibly long list of perverts and criminals who had two parents....I bet it's much longer than your list


Are all pedophile priests products of one parent?

How does that address the facts in my post? It doesn't seem to ...is it a weak attempt at an insult?