Bear-baiting in Alaska

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    This news is over a year old but it's something that I just heard about recently. An Obama regulation prohibited baiting bears for hunting. Trump overturned that regulation last May, 2018. The rollback was pushed by interior secretary Ryan Zinke, an avid hunter. The change in the regulations for hunting bear also allows hunters to use spotlights to shoot bear cubs inside their dens and hunt black bears with dogs on some Alaskan federal lands.

    The ban on bear-baiting went into effect in 1980. Alaska allowed the use of bait to lure grizzly bears for the first time in 2005 in a bid to boost populations of large animals, such as moose, which are preyed on by bears. This was overturned by the National Park Service (NPS) under the Obama administration in 2015 to avoid altering natural predator-prey dynamics and out of concerns for public safety.

    Bear hunters have used anything from stale doughnuts and lard to dog food mixed with honey to attract the animals into the open and make them easier to shoot. Last November the Trump's administration lifted a ban on the importation of elephant hunt trophies from Zimbabwe and Zambia.

    Men have powerful hunting rifles, which should be sufficient to take down a grizzly bear. Is it still considered 'hunting' when bears are baited with lard and honey? Last month, Trump said “I'm an environmentalist. A lot of people don’t understand that.” Nobody can identify a single regulation proposed by this administration which would improve environmental protections, conservation initiatives or improve public health and safety protections.

    Scientists and environmentalists have identified 150-200 species of plants, mammals, insects or birds that disappear and become extinct every single day.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/un-environment-programme_n_684562
     
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    Name one species that became extinct in the last 12 months.
     
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    In 2018, Three bird species went extinct last year, scientists said, two of which are songbirds from northeastern Brazil: The Cryptic Treehunter (Cichlocolaptes mazarbarnetti) and Alagoas Foliage-gleaner (Philydor novaesi), according to a report from the conservation group BirdLife International.

    The last male northern white rhino died at a wildlife sanctuary in Kenya in 2017, Mashable reported. Only two females are left.


    There's 100 others

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-amphibians-1093349

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-tigers-and-lions-1092148

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-birds-1093727

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-fish-1093350

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-game-animals-1093351

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-horses-1093352

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-insects-and-invertebrates-1093353

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-marsupials-1092146

    https://www.thoughtco.com/recently-extinct-reptiles-1093355
     
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    Where are the hundreds in the last few years ???
     
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    How about a list of animals thought to be extinct, only to be rediscovered, some time later?
     
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    Thank you, HumbledPi.

    Give us a list, FatBack, since you are interested in that.
     
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    "how about" you anti-enviromentalists stop with your 'whatabotisms'?
     
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    lol You get that I am "anti enviromentalist" because i asked a question you dont want to answer? Again...LOL
     
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    What do I look like, your own personal Wikipedia? Stop being lazy, look for the answers to your own questions, that's the only way you'll learn and retain the information you learn.
     
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    Speaking as a sometimes hunter, I think baiting and spotlighting mammals for the kill is unsportsmanlike (with the exception of feral hogs and rats).

    IMHO, this has nothing to do with endangered species. Alaskan brown bears are far from endangered, per the IUCN red list. They are listed as "Least concern."

    https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/41688/121229971
     
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    I never claimed this story had anything at all to do with endangered species. My point is that it's a shameful act committed by Trump that will take the 'sport' out of bear hunting while at the same time turns over just one more of Barack Obama's regulations, that's the real point.
     
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    Regarding 'should be sufficient to take down a bear', its not uncommon to find bears with 30 caliber bullets healed in their flesh and bone. Anything under a .50 BMG (which few people own) may get shrugged off even with a lung or head shot due to their thick hides and thicker bones. Ammunition marketed for bear is as close to 'armor piercing' as laws will allow for this reason.

    Just FYI.
     
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    Of course you (or the article you quoted) said something about endangered/extinct species: "Scientists and environmentalists have identified 150-200 species of plants, mammals, insects or birds that disappear and become extinct every single day."
     
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    What "sport" is there in bear hunting to begin with? If it were up to me, folks like you who think it's "manly" or some other BS to go hunt a bear should be limited to a spear and a hunting knife. Go forth, so something heroic or some other bs....Why hunt them at all? Did you think you were going to eat the bear? I doubt it. So why hunt them? It isn't like they are hunting you.
     
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    As far as hunting in Alaska goes I tend to agree. It's mainly trophy hunters from other states head and hide hunting for "sport" and I disagree with Trump on this one.
    Having said that I used to bear hunt because I did indeed like the meat and it was a good flavor contrast to the venison that stocked my freezer. Don't eat as much meat these days as I used to though so I haven't bear hunted in years but when I did it wasn't over bait or with spotlights or even dogs.
    Never forget the time I brought home a bear in the back of my PU and our cat jumped up on the tailgate. He saw the bear and I swear jumped as high as the tree tops and hit the ground running. LOL
     
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    I know many hunters who brag about their bear-burger recipes. Most include some bacon in the grind, but I've also heard that applesause or applejuice cuts the 'gaminess' and makes bear quite tasty. Assuming its not 'wormy' of course. Some bear just turns out to be innedible no matter what (they can be filthy creatures).
     
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    Funny.

    Most everyone I've ever known who hunted a bear did it because they thought it was some right of passage, and it proved something heroic. I don't recall one person who actually ever ate the bear, (tritrichonoma being insanely common) and bear meat is stringy and tough.. I know folks who put bicycle flags on the sage to attract antelope. Takes all the sport out of having to engage your buck at full speed.... (i do really love antelope... um um good). I also am probably a significant minority on that one.. I agree, it's mostly trophy hunting. I always hope the bear wins....
     
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    You definitely have to cook it well done just like pork but it is delicious
     
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    I'll admit when I shot my first bear in my early twenties I thought it gave me bragging rights but I quickly grew out of that. To each his own on taste and my wife never did like it so had to eat most of it myself . A bear roast is incredibly juicy and tender but you have to cook the crap out of it. Makes great burrito meat
     
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    That’s the MO. Question the party of goodness and that proves to them that you are a _____ ist or an anti____ist.
     
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