Volker: West willing to help Russia find easy way out of Ukraine.

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.uawire.org/volker-west-willing-to-help-russia-find-easy-way-to-withdraw-from-ukraine


    Lil Putler hasn't got a ****ing clue how to get out of Ukraine....him and his yarddog Strelkovka figured DPR would rollover along with other parts of Ukraine. Now he is stuck with no plan other than to murder, rape, pillage anyone who doesn't agree with his failed "Novorussia" concept.
    Wheres his lapdog Pushilin these days? The socalled DPR "leader"? Hiding like a coyote in Moscovia maybe? He'll probably end up dead like his cohorts moto, givi, & Zak. Putinka cant afford any loose ends that may "talk".
     
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    Hey, your star MH17 witness walked out of jail. What happened? :roflol:

    Putin leave Ukraine? He's not in it so how's he gonna leave?

    As far as the DPR, exactly which side is currently lobbing mortars into apartment buildings and school buildings like terrorists? Kiev is acting like the occupants of the West Bank.
     
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    Realistically, what do you see the Russian position here?

    For the world to "accept Crimea" and that it is Russian land?

    Gotta be honest if you look at the population being almost 75% Russian and the military ports, I do understand this position.

    What else are Russians looking to get out of this? Not media or leaders words, what do the Russian people want to have happen?
     
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    Putinka not in Ukraine????:roflol:.....of course not.....because Pravda, RT, Fort Russ says so.

    Everybody pretty much knows moskali vermin are there. You just don't want to admit it...LOL.

    What about Tsemahk??....I'll guess he'll be dead in due time....like Givi, Zak, moto.....all dogs gotta die sometime.

    Anyway.....you got those pics of that Ferrari you own?? I'm still waiting?


    Kyiv acting like "occupants"????.....are you ******** me??:))), DPR is Ukranian territory, lol on a map? Or can vatniks read?
     
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    The article had nothing to do with Crimea. But if you want to talk Crimea, it was Russian territory from the 1700's 'until' 1954, when it was gifted to Ukraine by executive order, which was part of the USSR, so it was like it was going from your left pocket to your right pocket. The Ukies always overlook the fact that it wasn't a legal transfer in the first place. The Order needed state approval but a quorum never gave approval. So technically the transfer never happened yet it was recognized publicly. Nevertheless, Crimea declared independence along the same time as all the other CIS countries did with the fall of the USSR, only to have Ukraine proper march into Crimea and take away their independence. When the coup went down in 2014, Crimean Russians voted once again for independence but this time they also voted to be annexed by Russia, so when Russia took them in that effectively prevented Ukraine from doing the same thing they did back in 1991.

    As far as Donbass, i.e. Donetsk and Luhansk, which have both separately declared independence from Ukraine, Russia doesn't want either one of them nor do they want to be part of Russia. But both areas are predominately ethnic Russian and Russia has given aid, such as electricity, gas and other basic needs because Ukraine (Kiev) has tried to starve them into submission.

    I was in Ukraine a couple of weeks ago and then went to Sochi, Russia. Sochi is right on the border with Abkhazia, a disputed territory that declared independence along with South Ossetia as a result of the fall of the USSR. Georgia considers them part of Georgia. It's basically the same thing as what is going on with Ukraine, except Ukraine brought this problem upon themselves with the ethnic cleansing laws they tried/did implement after the 2014 coup.

    South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria....all breakaway republics as a result of the fall of the USSR. If Russia wanted them, they could take them all without breaking a sweat. Donetsk and Luhansk, no difference.

    The Russians in these territories want independence, freedom and to be left the hell alone, that's what they want.
     
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    What



    LOL.....


    LOL....back in 91 Crimea voted to be separate from Moskva with 65%? Or so.....prevent Ukraine doing in 91??? Like what? I don't recall Ukraine invading in 91?....read much?

    As far as DPR.....Russia doesn't want them....LOL, that's why the ****ers are handing out Russki passports in the DPR? You don't get vatnik passports just for the "hell of it"?!?:roflol:


    You were in Ukraine? Oh....my, you really move around, just a little while ago you were in Texas?(seems a few here claim to be from Texas)? Why don't you just admit you're a troll from Pete?

    If Russia wanted them they could take them "no sweat"?

    Seems like plenty of Cargo 200s leaving DPR....dozens of dead katsaps every week getting cremated do Putler can claim no olgino regulars in Ukraine?:roflol:


    Vatniks in those breakaways want "peace", and to be left the "he'll alone".....:roflol:, yes so much so Moldovas president wants the Russki troops removed from "transnistria"!...Priceless!

    Yes, I agree, get the ****ing vatniks out, reabsorb this fake entity transnistria back to Moldova(Bessarabia), and in turn incorporate it back to Romania, its rightful place.
     
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    Oh look, someone doesn't understand the concept of air travel and visas. :blahblah::bored: That's super smart, I can tell from your grammar skills. :roflol:

    I believe Crimea voted to separate from everyone back in 92 - 94. Depending on what was subject to the vote, support for independence was consistently in high 70's to low 80 percentile range. Someday maybe you'll get something right....probably not but I'm an optimist.

    Why don't you go ahead and give Moldova back to Romania first? After all, the Russians have nothing to do with it. What's stopping that..?...oh, reality.
     
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    In fact the situation is completely different. Putin's game around the Ukraine is easy and efficient. He didn't invade Ukraine. He spent only the money Russia would have spent for Crimea anyway. Besides, he used the precedent to advertise russian military which managed to protect law and order on the peninsula without a single shot against quite a capable army. Putin didn't intervene into civil war and hasn't spent a penny on ukrainian oligarchs, obtaining millions of ukrainian citizens as workers for russian economy.

    Minsk agreements remain the only way to end up this civiil war and sooner or later Ukraine or whatever is left of it will have to start fulfil the obligations. None of these obligations is in Putin's hands. Although it is really very predictable that all the Donbass people will never vote for any clowns from Kiev for their regions with a special status.

    All of it is happening at the expense of american and european taxpayers who gave their money to puppet-politicians which don't plan to live in Ukraine. It doesn't really matter if it happens now when around 20 out of 50 mln people try to survive in Ukraine or 2 mln people. Those who want to survive will have to become russians, americans, poles, jews or whoever. Staying a citizen of Ukraine means death. This is an unfortunate and foreseen scenario dozens of years ago.

    NB. It's very good that you know english. It means you have a chance for the future. But I really doubt that this future belongs to the lands which de jure belong to what is called 'Ukraine'.
    NB2. 30 years ago I was really regretting that Ukraine with so much industrial capacities and agriculture will turn into a small and well-developed compact Russia, while we will have to maintain millions of he of land without any money and perspectives involved into civil wars and economical crises. At that point I believed that it was only our fault (and evil commies) that we don't live at the level of hollywood movies.

    I was wrong. And it is good to admit it.

    PS. The game around the Ukraine is about its end. This will surely be the last attempt of EU to make Russia pay for gas. But it will fail surely like all the others. The next US president will find even less interest in Ukraine than the present one. On a long run Ukraine is doomed and there will be noone to regret about its inevitable death. It is not that good for the citizens and especially those in Donbass, but they will get their glory and payment with the time.

    I suggest you start to plan your own future. For your own sake.
     
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    Lol.....nothing wrong with any grammar skills, you're just deflecting. No surprise:)))!
    I've gotten many things right here..... Maybe we'll see your pics someday ....with your exotic ride you claim you can afford or own....I won't hold my breath.

    Moldova should go to Romania with "tranistria" in tow. The "reality" is that there's the vatnik "peacekeepers":roflol: hanging around. Basically they're there so there's no NATO intentions, much like DPR, South Ossetia, Abkazia.....it's yoyos like yourself that claim that the Asiatic Moskalis just want to live in "peace" in those areas!:roflol:
     

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