Justice Dept. launches antitrust probe of automakers over their fuel efficiency deal with California

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Problem is if California passed their own mpg laws all automakers will be forced to retool their entire fleet if they want to sell to the state that buys more cars than any other. This forces us all into more expensive California cars. It would be like all of us having to buy expensive California gas that the oil companies formulate just for them. You can do that with gas but having one fleet of cars for California and one for the rest of us isn't economically feasible so they will change the entire fleet to California standards and we will all pay the price.
    As to why Ford and three foreign auto companies support this it's anybody's guess but Ford is more financially sound than other car companies and it may think it can stick a knife in its competitors that may have trouble changing their entire fleet and even could go broke. The foreign companies may hope for the same result. I'm open to other theories though.
     
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    You honestly think automakers can have an entirely different fleet just for California? Get real
     
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    they used to do that. my wife's maxima had a choice of regular emissions or california emissions, we choose the non-cali version. it easily passes every year & now is exempt from emmissions testing, just needs a safety sticker.
     
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    Lol Mr. DL, I think you get a 'Bart Simpson-esque' kick out of faux-framing on some of these issues; kudos to you for the provocative stabs at levity :). As you well know, we the detractors take umbrage at the utilitarian & pragmatic deficits of the imposed restrictions - not the paying less at the gas pump or polluting less...

    Some want the safety inherent w/ the grater mass of reinforced steel around them & their occupants (w/o being penalized / massively subsidizing the eco EV industry) - the ability to drive long distances w/ the convenience of a 3 min gassing up every 350 miles - the ability to throw heavy bulky luggage in the fully occupied vehicle or tow the boat or trailer w/ their (all purpose) every day commuter... Personally I just like to run bad ass oversized & aggressive tires on my truck & jeep for the occasional off road foray & general aesthetic off it - cus I can, lol...
     
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    That's been around a long time with additional emission standards but mpg standards can't be met with a bolt on product. It requires entirely different engines transmission and bodies. In short an entirely different car.
     
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    the easist way to beat them, is to stop buying them until they eliminate all the cali bs.
     
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    They may have worked around the legality, but that is as unethical as it comes. My last post was referring to Trump doing things for himself.
     
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    There is no reason why other states can't use the car, they are certainly passing their emissions standards.
     
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    Other states will be forced to use the car as you say and pay the price for the dubious honor of letting California dictate what all America has to drive.
     
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    well, thats what they get for their vanity, peeps buy shiny new every year or two, a foolish waste of their money & manufacturers know this & price accordingly. as fer me i keep em til they're no longer viable, then & only then will i replace it with a certified pre-owned, screw that instant depreciation crapola, let someone else pay that bs.
     
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    Kind of a wierd comment. If any auto maker wants to come out with a car that gets 100 mpg they are free to do so. If people want them fine.
     
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    And the government has no legal obligation to allow the interstate commerce.

    They're welcome to move to CA, make them there, and sell them there if they'd like though.
     
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    Mmm no. You're railing on about private industry when the left has no interest in private industry they don't control.

    Perfectly on point, which is why you're avoiding it.
     
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    Good grief, the car still meets their standards.
     
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    Because of California's war against the internal combustion engine, today's automobiles aren't as safe as they use to be.

    They are nothing but plastics and thin gauge steel. Bump into something at 1 MPH and your looking at over a $1,000 repair bill.

    Just about everyone who is unfortunate to live in America's first third world state, California are kept awake at night when they have to have their cars smogged.
    Will my car pass the smog test ???
    How much is it going to cost me to get my car legal and pass the smog test ???
     
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    Good grief we can't let California force the rest of us into more expensive cars
     
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    Yeah right, no interstate commerce :)
     
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    The steel and auto industry are my biggest customers. They are both working hand in hand to produce stronger and lighter steel to reduce weight and increase millage as the consumers dictate they want and at prices they are willing to pay. The MARKET will dictate.

    That is not the issue here, the issue is one state trying to violate the interstate commerce as dictated by the Constitution, you know one of the reasons we dropped the Articles of Confederation for the Constitution that being each state having it's own laws and regulations which was destroying the economy. If California wants to regulate what is produced in their state so be, but they cannot outlaw legal products from other states.
     
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    You are not forced to buy from CA.
     
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    Don't know if you remember these things or not. I actually had them on my VW bug way back when. Good idea that never caught on due to the ugly factor I guess

     
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    CA's not going to dictate what cars are available to everyone else.

    Just deal with it.
     
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    Maybe if California didn't have the welcome mat out at its borders there wouldn't be 40 million people with 14.5 million cars on the highways polluting the air.

    Over population = more pollution.

    More pollution = more regulations.
     
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    Auto companies would be forced to change their entire fleet to sell to California so all of us would be forced to comply to California standards by default.
     
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    Then buy from somewhere else.
     
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    Obviously you don't understand. Best of luck to you.
     

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