Times when you hate to be right...

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  1. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Nope, and I support court cases against it.....but since that has to do with LEGAL REPRESENTATION in a court case regarding slander, censorship, etc., that is hardly a comparison to open market sales of killing machines that folk like you don't care if they can be easily accessed by criminals and kooks with limited ways to trace or prevent.

    But given your intellectual myopia, any similarity counts as a whole. Carry on.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    For your education, a reference point. Read carefully and completely: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

    Facts, son....not generalized opinions and supposition. Try it sometimes.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    How does license and registration by law abiding citizens "eviscerating" the 2nd Amendment. Remember, the mentally unstable DECIDE WHAT TYPE OF WEAPON WOULD BEST SUIT THEIR NEEDS. Take that weapon off the market or make a paper trail responsibility to seller and buyer, and you cut down the use of said weapon. Not perfect, but better than the status quo.
     
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    You should sharpen your comprehensive reading skills. From the article linked: ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it.

    https://bootleginc.com/ar-15-military-use/

    A correction: it was not designed to sell as a trainer. Here's were I got confused: https://bootleginc.com/ar-15-military-use/
     
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    Again, you blow smoke to avoid the inevitable conclusion.....this was the weapon of choice that would not have been available had the 1994 AWB been in place. License and registration would have put a severe "wait a minute..." in their purchase by the perpetrators and their sellers.
    Tell me, what number of deaths do you deem acceptable to keep such a weapon on the open market? We're talking assault rifles used in mass shootings.
     
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    Once again for the cheap seats: you BUY a car, you MUST have a bill of receipt...as does the seller need a bill of sale for his IRS filing. You have a theft of said car on your property....that's a problem for the cops and YOU are on the hook for damages, etc. until you can prove it wasn't your car, it just was on your property :rolleyes: Any car collector worth their salt will tell you something similar or the same. So spare us all this pathetic attempt to make your fantasy a reality.
     
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    Reality check, my man. The weapons used in several mass shootings in the last 20 years were previously on the 1994 AWB list. It sunset, NRA bought GOP block it's re-instatement. Also, a proven fact that I've documented before regarding the "iron pipeline" that exists from states with lesser gun laws to those with more stringent ones.

    Try selling your BS to victims surviving family members...they won't think you're so damned funny.
     
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    I did....doesn't prevent State regulations regarding guns..nor did it prohibit the 1994 AWB....that law was SUNSET....the NRA/GOP block it's reinstatement … and my proposal doesn't infringed on your right to a gun.....but state and federal law can limit what type of weapons you have....that's constitutional, don't cha know.
     
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    Here we go with the SOS shoveled when faced with fact based reality: mass shootings in the last 20 years were NOT done with explosives or poison gas or trucks....they were mostly done with assault rifles that were previously banned on the 1994 AWB...weapons of CHOICE. A matter of fact, a matter of history. The OP proposal won't kill you, and it might save others. Deal with it.
     
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    OK. Start with crooked cops and politicians.
     
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    Your lack of the AWB of 1994 is stunning. Sorry guns scare you. Deal with it.
     
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    From your article, here are the two ways criminals get their guns...
    1. "one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales." This is already illegal.
    2. "The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers." This is already illegal.
    Since, both of the above are already illegal, how are new gun laws going to fix this problem? How do you make illegal something that is already illegal????
     
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    Are you saying that the usage of the phrase "well-regulated" found in the Oxford English Dictionary of that time is incorrect?

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
     
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    Oh, so the courts don't always get things right. Is that what you are saying?

    That means all the court cases that ruled in favor of regulations and limitations on the 2A are ALL wrong. Good to know.
     
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    There is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon." Stop using made up terms by 1980's anti-gunners.

    What about the commercials for AR-15?
     
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    Because, historically, firearm registration is just the first essential step toward confiscation.
    Yes, history has proven that the proverbial "Slippery Slope" is very real.

    First they came for the "assault weapons", and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own an "assault weapon".

    Then they came for the handguns, and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own a handgun.

    Then they came for the rifles and I did not speak out—

    Because I did not own a rifle

    Then they came for my grandfather's old shotgun —and then I learned what "common sense" gun control "for the children" really meant.

    (Apologies to Martin Niemöller)

    America is not going to reduce its homicide by the cheap and easy addition of more gun laws that are already ignored by criminals.
    Since genuine solutions are rarely ever cheap or easy, the most effective solution is the one which will be neither cheap nor easy and that is fixing America's broken mental health care situation.

    No amount of banning or paper trails is going to stop a determined killer from killing a large number of people if that is his intent.
    If semi automatic carbines become difficult to get, then determined mass killers will simply resort to easily accessible and deadlier Molotov Cocktails & home made bombs(1), (2).



    (1) "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


    (2) "The 1927 Bombing That Remains America’s Deadliest School Massacre"

    "Ninety years ago, a school in Bath, Michigan was rigged with explosives in a brutal act that stunned the town"

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...chool-massacre-180963355/#KSipwm4IUrIbB9uc.99

    EXCERPTS "In the end 44 people died, 38 of them students. It wasn’t the first bombing in the country’s history—at least eight were killed during the Haymarket Square rally in Chicago in 1886, and 30 when a bomb exploded in Manhattan in 1920. But none had been so deadly as this, or affected so many children."CONTINUED
     
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    People use what they can, to perform these sort of attacks. Places in the world where guns are scarce, they use other methods, but it does not stop them to not have access to guns. Only someone completly seperated from reality would believe you can stop mass violence by banning guns. It is an assumption too stupid to even consider.
     
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    translation: Jestsayin is just saying nothing, as he tries to bluff past his inability to put forth the points he thinks disproves my previous post. If he can logically and factually disprove what I said, then do so. If not, please go blow smoke somewhere else.
     
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    Lame poetics followed by listings THAT DO NOT CHANGE THE FACT OF THE FOLLOWING: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/were-ar-15s-used-mass-shooting-aurora/
    That's just a summary of 6 years....do your homework about the last 20 years and check against what weapons were on the 1994 AWB. Now, if you're trying to somehow diminish the tragedies of those shooting by comparison, I'd say go try and sell that to the surviving family members. Good luck with that.
     
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    And of course, you ignore what you don't like. That's a tired and lame tactic of yours. Case in point from the article:
    What's needed, according to Wachtel, is better monitoring of the activities of legally licensed gun dealers. This means examining FFL paperwork to see where their guns are coming from, and making sure that those guns are being sold legally.

    According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

    The OP proposal merely seeks to close this gap....not much and it won't stop illegal activity in this vein, but it will deter and lower the availability....like the recent tragedies in Texas and Ohio.
     
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    Nah, we need to do away with any restrictions on owning any weapon. These restrictions are unconstitutional.
     
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    This is what I'm saying: your source is a federalist/libertarian joke that suffers from intellectual myopia. Now I want you to read the following carefully and comprehensively, because it has a little catch that should blow your mind, especially if you try to logically and factually disprove any point of it (opinion non-withstanding).

    In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/12/25/1173770/-What-IS-a-well-regulated-militia
     

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