Do we have another Trump Tower equivalent in the White House now?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    We need to find out if Biden colluded with a foreign government, don't we?
     
  2. JakeStarkey

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    People are using Trump like a ventriloquist's doll and are speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

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    No, that's my point... I don't think the entire complaint from the whistleblower is limited to the one phone call...

    But the WSJ doesn't sound like the quid-pro-quo story is going to have legs either, not that this is a deal breaker for me...

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...robe-hunter-biden-eight-times-in-one-call-wsj

    But you are right, that still leaves the mysterious "promise" hanging out there...
     
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    That's funny... you know if Trump found himself in that seat, he wouldn't hesitate.

    However, I think the Ukrainians need us a lot more than to have their President rolling on Trump...
     
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    Get away with what?
     
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    With soliciting a foreign power for something of value to benefit an election.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    There is no evidence of any of this. Stop falling for fake news. You Trump haters are just going to look silly in the end.
     
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    There's no evidence that the campaign solicited a foreign power for something of value to benefit the election? Cute, but ill-informed. Read Junior's emails. That much has been established. I know you don't want it to be true, but (brace yourself) facts are more important than feels.
     
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    they tried, but it was another Trump failure.. so at best it could be called attempted collusion
     
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    whataboutism does not excuse Trump or his people at all.
     
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    Gathering opposition research is not illegal.
     
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    @ronv

    Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is ...

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a...
    Biden persuaded Ukraine to fire its prosecutor while he was investigating a natural gas firm that employed Biden's son on its board. Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived ...

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    Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

    In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
     
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    Trump merely is normalizing relations with Ukraine, after the “more flexible” admin turned their back on them and withheld aid, during Putin’s invasion, until the govt ended the criminal probe of Biden’s son
     
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    The image gets individual pieces of this assertion right -- Hunter Biden was a director of the company, and Joe Biden did leverage U.S. aid to fire a prosecutor. But it overreaches by assuming that Joe Biden acted to protect the company his son was affiliated with. In reality, there was widespread agreement in the West that the existing prosecutor had to go, and it’s not clear that the company would have benefited from his ouster anyway, given evidence that its cases had long been dormant.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/
     
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    There is wrong at all for the President communicating with a foreign leader about a possible crime that was committed and urging his government to cooperate with ours. Biden laid out the quid pro quo we need Ukraine too aid in the investigation.
     
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    That's why we need a special prosecutor and we can unmask any of Biden's communications.
     
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    I bet if you asked real nice you could get that moved to the jokes section.
     
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    It is if you are a campaign getting it from a foreign source.
     
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    Through proper process. Through proper channels.

    There’s not even any evidence the DOJ has started an investigation.
     
  22. JakeStarkey

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    Like Trump's hidden communications or taxes?
     
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    Opposition research is not illegal.
     
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    Been looked into and found nothing

    Just like Hillary Clinton they will Look for years ......... and find nothing
     
  25. yardmeat

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    Your insistence on repeating this strawman instead of addressing the facts is quite revealing. It is illegal for a campaign to solicit or accept anything of value from a foreign source. I look forward to the next dodge of this basic fact.
     
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