Bronx homeowner chases would-be intruder down, beats him to death: cops

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The homeowner should be jailed, wasn't self defence and wasn't reasonable.

    Two cases in the UK. Tony Martin shot two would be burglars, one was even running away at the time. Jailed for manslaughter, although he served three years.

    Richard Osborn-Brooks confronted a burglar in his house. The burglar was holding a screwdriver and a struggle ensued. The screwdriver stabbed the burglar who then fled from the house, collapsed and died. Richard was arrested, the matter investigated and deemed it was reasonable force. So he was free to go.

    Running after a fleeing burglar and killing them is not reasonable force. The home owner should be jailed for manslaughter.
     
  2. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Harder to demonstrate planning since theres no chase, easier to demonstrate intent to kill since guns are lethal weapons.

    In this case, prolly not much different.
     
  3. Steady Pie

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    I agree it was not self defense, it was retaliatory. Two very different things.

    Still, like a rape victim killing their rapist days later, this is the sort of thing that sentencing is designee to accomodate for.
     
  4. Professor Peabody

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    The left believes as long as they run away, the crime didn't happen. The homeowner will be just fine as long as he hit the perp once.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It almost appears as you celebrating a law abiding citizen being put in an unfortunate situation by a scum bag low life leech and parasite of society.
     
  6. cd8ed

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    How so?
    I think people have the right to protect their home and their possessions, they do not have the right to kill people that pose no threat to them.
     
  7. Bush Lawyer

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    So if they are running like the wind, back to you, yet still in your yard, you are free to blast away?????
     
  8. Professor Peabody

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    I like to call it a "public service homicide". He did a favor to the entire city.
     
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  9. SiNNiK

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    If they are in possession of your property, and it's at night, and you do not know the individual, yes.
     
  10. scarlet witch

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    :lol: really.. all of them... where are all the dead people?
     
  11. Bush Lawyer

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    And if he was one inch outside your property, back turned to you and running?
     
  12. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If we wouldn't have scum bag leeches and parasites in this country to the degree we do, this poor guy wouldn't be in the situation he is.
     
  13. Texan

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    I think the legal term is "in fresh pursuit".

    While it's legal, it's still subject to interpretation by the jury and most people aren't going to kill somebody over a TV. I have insurance for that. My concern is for my family when they are in my house. That's when I have no hesitation in shooting someone breaking in.
     
  14. Bush Lawyer

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    Doesn't fresh pursuit only apply to law enforcement officers?
     
  15. cd8ed

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    Oh I agree the dude was a pos, criminals — especially violent ones — need to be permanently removed from society.

    But you can’t kill people that pose no danger to you and not be guilty of murder.
     
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    Because he didnt have the right to pursue him in public. Hed have been well within his rights to shoot the ****er or bludgeon him in his own home.
    He was not in the same position chasing the fleeing thief and hitting him from behind.

    We're not taking his side because hes well outside the law given the facts as released so far. Do you have additional information that would've made it reasonable to pursue the thief into the alley and strike him from behind with a blunt object?
     
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    It does
     
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    Because he hit him more than once according to witnesses. Hard enough to bend the ****ing pipe.
     
  19. modernpaladin

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    No. There are citizens arrest laws in most if not all US states. If you witness a felony, you can legally apprehend the suspect so long as you immediately notify or transport them to the nearest LEO. Its more complicated than that depending on the state, but thats the gist of it.

    And if you wrongfully arrest someone, you can get charged with felony abduction.

    Citizens arrest doesnt happen very often, and when it does, its usually by private security professionals.
     
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  20. SiNNiK

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    You will be questioned by a grand jury, it will be your job to convince them you were within the law. There is no stipulation regarding specific distances, but you will need to answer for your actions.
     
  21. Bush Lawyer

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    Yes, and I reckon that includes your back yard when the bloke is running away at full tilt, with back turned. I reckon any Law which allows a legal lethal shot in that scenario is straight out of Mad Max.
     
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  22. SiNNiK

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    Or Texas.
     
  23. Bush Lawyer

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    You telling me that Texas = Mad Max?
     
  24. SiNNiK

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    Telling you that you'll get shot if caught stealing. Dont steal.
     
  25. Bush Lawyer

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    Yes and you are also telling me that you can be legally shot running away from the theft by some Texan....in the back. That must make you feel proud, Texas. That really is primitive, 'savage' stuff. Nah. Your chattels are not worth a human life.
     

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