There's nothing to discuss. Biden used USAid to blackmail Ukraine

It's different when we do it!

 

I expect sleepy Joe to bow out of the race soon, for reasons.

 

I can't find anything wrong with Hunter Biden's activities. That's at the root of the Biden involvement. What did Hunter do wrong?

As for Joe's involvement, it's complicated.

Viktor Shokin had much bigger issues than the corruption case against Mykola Zlochevsky. Almost immediately after he was appointed, he started to cause almost irreparable harm to Ukraine’s legal system. For starters, he failed to prosecute any prominent members of the Yanukovych regime or anybody in the current government. He constantly blocked reform to Ukraine’s broken legal system.

He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution which the European Union had asked Ukraine to do for years. The law aimed to reduce to role of prosecutors who “were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine” according to Atlantic Council. It also called for a reevaluation of all prosecutors in order to weed out the more corrupt and incompetent ones. Shokin manipulated the process so that the old system mostly remained the same and minimal, ineffective changes were implemented.

He was the largest obstacle to judicial reform in Ukraine. It wasn’t just Joe Biden calling for his ouster, it was the United States government and the European Union.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/joe-biden-ukraine/

That's the short version.

In other words, the Biden involvement is net zero. It is an attempt to divert attention from the despicable act Trump committed. He asked a foreign power to interfere in our election on his behalf and used $250M in military aid approved by Congress as inducement to get the foreign power to do as he asked.

Anyone defending Trump is really saying that it is perfectly okay for a foreign power like Russia or Ukraine to interfere in our election if its helping Trump.

That is beneath contempt.

 

Biden's son made out like a bandit. Stop acting like it didn't happen.

 

And why was the political pressure applied? Why to cover for political corruption of course...

 

Your willingness to defend anything as long as it makes Trump look bad never ceases to amaze me.

 

Any opinion defending Trump is clearly anti-American.

 

It had already ended a year before.

 

I mean that sure as **** sounds like a quid pro quo to me

 

Hunter Biden was gifted a lobbying position years ago because of the influence his father wielded at taxpayer expense. He sold his father's influence from the time Joe Biden was a Senator and it looks like it continued in spades with Joe's active participation when Joe became Vice President. I'm sure if one were to look they would find active participation during Joe's Senate days. Corruption isn't a party. Engaging in it for personal or family gain says something about peoples' character regardless of which side of the aisle they stand on.

 

There was NO investigation of Biden's son at that time. It had ended at least a year earlier and Hunter was exonerated.

At the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

 

Pure conspiracy theory speculation without a single shred of proof.

 

And it was also Obama who levied several trade sanctions against Russia for that invasion, and convinced the other G7 countries to kick Russia out over the invasion.

Trump lifted all of those sanctions and is campaigning to let Russia back into the G7.

 

edthecynic has it right: Pure conspiracy theory speculation without a single shred of proof.

 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

Not only that...but Biden senior "blackmailed" Ukraine into doing something that virtually everyone in the "normal" world wanted.

Fire a corrupt prosecutor who was NOT prosecuting corruption. And he was NOT prosecuting or investigating the company that Biden junior worked for

 

In fact no sanctions have been lifted and more placed. AS for letting the Russians back into the G7 and?

 

In fact, the Obama sanctions were lifted, and then Putin betrayed his puppet, Trump, who replaced the originals with minimal sanctions.

The allies in the G7 are wise enough to keep Russia out despite Trump's begging.

 

Oh really?

I guess you missed Trump removing sanctions on Dereposka huh?

 

More like ,,, while the Bidens were shaking down Ukraine, a country disarmed by Obama ,,, Putin was rolling tanks in to annex Crimea.

He wasn't done. The traitor had to sell Putin 20% of our uranium production while destroying our nuclear deterrent.

 

It was talked about removing sanctions from a couple of companies spun off from Dereposka but not From dereposka itself.

 

Not "spun off" at all.

Companies he owns big chunks of publicly (and given the way corporate ownerships in Russia are ) "privately" owns most of

"Democrats and some Republicans had said they believe the Treasury Department had cut a bad deal that doesn't sufficiently prevent the Russian oligarch from maintaining influence over the company even though his personal ownership stake in Rusal was reduced. Under the arrangement, Deripaska's ownership in EN+ drops from roughly 70% to roughly 45%, and he can vote only 35% of his shares, according to documents explaining the terms of the deal. But his shares are spread out to various entities, including to a foundation he started two decades ago, his ex-wife and father-in-law as well as the sanctioned Russian bank, VTB. The terms of the agreement say voting rights of these shares will be given to third parties with no ties to Deripaska."

 

This is what our country has come to. Following a president using juvenile third grade name calling. Trump is a doody head

 

Refreshing to experience lefties circling the wagons to support self-dealing and other flavors of corruption.

 

A. Biden was trying to get a (Russian allied) corrupt prosecutor removed from Ukraine. Something supported by virtually the entire free world.

B. "Disarmed" of nukes. There's quite a difference between that and being completely disarmed and that agreement occurred in the 90s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

C.Putin (and his international aggression) is the guy you and Trump are SUPPORTING

D. We didn't sell 20% of our nuclear production. In fact Putin had all the nuclear material he wanted and we had no shortage either.

E. "Destroying our nuclear deterrent"? That's just a batcrap crazy statement