WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You weren't paying attention. Don't confuse your limited attention span to any omission on my part.

    In any case, much as I attacked it, Obama's "crackdown" on whistleblowers was legal. Trump's is not!

    As a matter of fact, the law you include in your quote (The Whistleblower's Protection Act) was signed by Obama.
     
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    If there were any credible indication of wrongdoing, I would investigate his ass off.

    Biden is not my candidate. He's not even in my top 10 list. But I would investigate the ass off of anybody if there is indication that they did something illegal.

    Now... back to the real topic of this thread.... This is about Trump's criminal activity. Would you demand an investigation as to why he is hiding a whistle-blower report that his own IG declared was credible, serious and urgent? Despite the fact that the law requires the Executive power to hand it over to Congress. So Trump is breaking the law as we speak.

    Are you demanding an investigation and will you demand jail time for Trump? Or where your questions pure right-wing partisan hypocrisy?

    I responded. Now you respond!
     
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    Do you even understand what crime is?
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hay Mister Obama Toadie
    play a Lie for me.I'm not sleepy and
    there ain't no place I'm goin' to
    cept the Deep State.
    In the jingle jangle morning,noon and
    night I'll come following You.
    On to my own parade
    cast yer dancin' spell
    My ... I eye,I eye ... way.


     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hah! That's the defense of your idol you are left with?

    My job is done.
     
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    Trump used the word "collusion." Don't you remember? Maybe some of the media used it as well...such as Fox News, Breitbart, et al. Mainstream media used it primarily because they were reporting what Trump said.
    Comey didn't officially make the "no indictment" decision on Clinton. Loretta Lynch did...a day or so AFTER the Comey announcement that the FBI would be "recommending" no indictment and he explained why...in the announcement and his subsequent testimony to Congress. Why did he make the announcement? Because Lynch had publicly announced that she would make the decision based on Comey's recommendation. Comey "jumped the gun" because he was afraid the FBI would be made to look the "scapegoat" and he wanted the public to know that it was genuinely the FBI's recommendation and that he had NOT consulted with Lynch prior to arriving at the FBI's final recommendation. Lynch's reason for the her announcement on taking the FBI's recommendation was due to her meeting on the tarmac of the Phoenix Airport, with Bill Clinton, which she recognized din't look good to the public.

    Basically, your claim that Comey made the official decision is false. Look it up...Lynch made the decision based on the Comey recommendation exactly as she told us she would do.
     
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    You cite non criminal law and claimed the president committed a crime.
    Just wanted to make sure I’m wasting my time on someone who is ignorant of basics.

    Thank you!
     
  8. stone6

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    Wow! You sound a lot like the "Bircher's" from the fifties. The people who accused Eisenhower of being a Communist and letting the Russians beat us to Berlin, in WW II. The Deep State is nothing more (or less) than a professional government bureaucracy, which has grown with our global responsibilities, primarily throughout the 20th century. The ratio of federal employees to population has remained more or less stable since LBJ's days. The federal government, today, grows about as fast as the population. "The Deep State" idea didn't begin with Obama; it began with the idea of the Administrative State and the political theory of American public administration (see Dwight Waldo's book on the subject, written in 1948. When I was in graduate school, they called it "bureaucratic politics" and "Groupthink." You are the people who want to tear down the country and negate the advances we've made since WW II. I think it's time you learned to "love it or leave it."
     
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    Sorry most of the advances since WWII have had very little to do with government. What Obama did sir was to fully politicize as much of the federal government as he could and that is a very bad thing. If we can't count on the federal bureaucracy being politically neutral we are screwed.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are roughly 6,000 political appointments in the federal government. Each President appoints them. Clinton did it when he became President, Bush when he became President, Obama when he became President. The practice dates back to Andrew Jackson and the so-called "spoils system." Since then, various laws have done much to reform the system. You're simply wrong about WW II not having any impact on the size and scope of government. You might want to do some research on the development of public administration in the United States. Government tends to grow with the complexity of the society and its population. The federal government exists to carry out federal law. Our Congressional representatives make that law. Depending upon Congress, sometimes the government rials the private sector, sometimes leads it. Either way, Congress either expands it or shrinks it...through their power of the purse.
     
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    Lynch made the decision eh.? But just willy-nilly passed on making
    it official { Public }.Yes,the Public was fed that rationale.
    Just like Comey Not being present when Hillary had her Saturday
    official F.B.I. Interview with her Lawyer Cheryl Mills present.
    Plus No Transcript of her interview.Or Video.
    Totally breaking F.B.I. protocol.
    Total sham and cover-up.Like Hillary disappearing over 30,ooo
    of her E-mails and using her own Private Server and then destroying
    Any and all her devices.
    Like the way the F.B.I. hid then vanished all Peter Strzok and
    Lisa Page e-mails/Tweets.That were under subpoena for almost 2 years.
    How many F.B.I personel were Fired,or demoted over this Fiasco.
    Why the use by a small select group in the F.B.I. as code name
    Crossfire Hurricane ?
    Because that his how Obama's sneaky White House operated.
    With sneaky names and maladroit doublespeak.
     
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    So your goal is another Air ball?
     
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    I'll wait for the IG report. Lynch made the official decision. Comey made the recommendation. Read that 100 times, take two aspirins and get 8 hours of sleep...maybe you'll feel better...but probably not. Oh yeah...Yates was not Clinton's lawyer.
     
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    It seems Biden had the Ukraine investigator that was investigating Biden's Son, fired and used aid to Ukraine to do it. I think if true, gives Trump the right to ask Ukraine why.
     
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    Uh...how did Biden do that?
     
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    Didn’t you see the video? It was posted here multiple times.
     
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    The Spoils System was pretty much abolished by Chester A. Arthur in 1883
     
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    Biden Used U.S. Aid as Weapon to Force Ukraine to Fire ...
    https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/biden-used-u-s-aid-as-weapon-to-force-ukraine-to...
    1 day ago · Foreign Policy Biden Used U.S. Aid as Weapon to Force Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor Looking Into His Son’s Business. Joe Biden recently admitted he used his position as vice president to get an investigation squashed that had been launched into his son’s crooked business


    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...4ABAB93475C44608FAF84ABAB93475C4460&FORM=VIRE
     
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    That's the prosecutors job and he was stopped from doing it because Biden blackmailed the Ukrainian government back then.Literally, if you don't sack that guy, you will not be getting any loans from the USA. The old fool was even bragging about it.

    Ukrainian official denies Trump pressured president
    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ian-official-denies-trump-pressured-president

    This ends the argument. My personal opinion, Trump played the liberal media for fools once again. This was a set up and liberal morons fell for it once again. Trump got them talking about the topic they didn't want to talk - Ukraine.
     
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    My mistake...but, it lives on in some aspects. Generally, big supporters and donors are often, if not always, appointed to some of those 6,000 political appointee jobs.
     
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    If that's the case, why is he blocking the whistleblower's report to Congress?
     
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    According to whom? Another anonymous source and the lying liberal media that is out there to get him. You were played for fools once again.

    Ukrainian official denies Trump pressured president

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ian-official-denies-trump-pressured-president

    Anyone committing crimes should be prosecuted. No problem with prosecuting Trump but first prosecute Obama, Hillary, Holder, Lynch, Clapper, Brennan,Comey and others who grossly abused the power.
     
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    If he had some bonafide reason, such as the alleged statement by Biden himself, I would think he could open a bonafide investigation, All he would ned to do is telephone the intelligence people, DoJ and the State Department and ask them to contact the appropriate people in Ukraine via our Embassy and the Ukraine government. And, he certainly wouldn't be prevented from discussing his suspicions with the new Ukraine President. But the whistleblower's report and concern appears to go further. The question is why is the administration appearing to block the whistleblower's report from going to Congress?
     
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    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...BAB93475C44608FAF84ABAB93475C4460&FORM=VDQVAP
     
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