There's nothing to discuss. Biden used USAid to blackmail Ukraine

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    What did Hunter Biden do?
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

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    Reaction from Trump's fans, including mitchscove, the OP writer. None!
     
  3. Thedimon

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    I’m not sure 100%, but I will hazard a guess for the following:
    Ukrainian natural gas company, owned by an oligarch, was possibly doing something wrong. They hired Hunter Biden as a form of insurance and to have the ability to reach out to the administration of the POTUS directly.
    Ukrainian general prosecutor started to work on the case of the company that hired Biden’s son. At the same time Ukraine was in desperate need of funds because it was being invaded by Russia. Biden’s company saw a perfect opportunity to stop the prosecution - Biden asked his daddy to hold $1B of the US taxpayer money as a ransom to force Ukraine to fire the prosecutor. Ukraine, being in desperate need, with being literally invaded and fighting a real hot war, had no time to sit around and see if they can sit it through - so they fired the prosecutor. After that Biden/Obama released the funds.

    So, what did Hunter Biden do? He was an accomplice to whatever criminal acts that oligarch was participating in.
    What did Joe Biden do? He obstructed justice on the highest possible level, fueling corruption in Ukraine. That’s at the very least. Then you can throw in abuse of power because he used congress approved taxpayers money for personal gain.

    While what Hunter Biden did is debatable, what Joe did is a very real crime for which, under normal circumstances, he could do some very real time in prison.

    While you people are crying about supposed “crimes” of Trump (which no one seem to be able to prove), you all ignore a 900lbs gorilla in the room, a presidential candidate from the Democratic Party that committed true crime of obstruction of justice and abuse of power.
    This case makes you all look like fools. Good luck in 2020, I bet you will need it!
     
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  4. Thedimon

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    What do you want? There is no proof the case was dormant. Some former employee could say it for $100.
    But there is proof of the company being investigated. ;)
     
  5. jack4freedom

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    Trump and Guiliani are morons for not waiting until Biden was nominated before shooting their load. If it is true that Biden’s son was guilty of embezzling funds and that old Joe bribed Porchenko to kill the investigation, he’s toast in the primaries. I have always thought that Biden was too old and with 60 years in Washington he’s bound to have tons of skeletons in his closet. Now the Democrats can scrap him and get a younger, smarter candidate to run against the Orange man.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If what Biden did was a crime, so is what Trump and Guiliani are doing. Telling them to reopen the investigation while dangling US dollars....Cuts both ways..
     
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    However, it's since been reported that there was not an active investigation into Hunter when the former vice president made the push for Shokin's firing, and Yuriy Lutsenko, Ukraine's prosecutor general, later said that he had no evidence of wrongdoing against either Biden.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-and-hunter-biden-ukraine-investigation-explained-2019-9
     
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    Can we get the election over with already? better yet just cancel it and wait until 2024.
     
  9. Thedimon

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    Isn’t it cute that MSM finds these little details years after the fact? Off course Lutsenko will claim there was no investigation - he got the job after Shokin was fired.
    Also, are you aware of the fact that Lutsenko has no Legal education? The legacy of Biden’s acts are still lingering in Ukraine which has a prosecutor general with no legal education. Sounds like an oxymoron, doesn’t it?
     
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    As I said the other day, Trump likely didn't want to win by remaining silent until the general. As one investigation after another has and will continue to confirm, Trump deals fairly with people. He's given the Democrats a taste of what's to come if Biden wins the nomination.

    With CA moved up on the primary schedule, Democrats will nominate a radical extremist.
     
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    Not really.
    If this case was handled in a court then Trump could have made an argument that he pressured Ukraine to investigate as his duty to be aware of and to make public crimes that were committed by prior administration. Just because Biden is the candidate does not change the fact that he committed a very real crime when he was a VP.

    Look at it from this perspective - if Biden committed murder while he was a VP would that be a crime for Trump to attempt to investigate murder, even if Biden is running for the president? While this investigation might benefit Trump it doesn’t change the fact that this whole thing started with Biden committing a crime.
     
  12. jack4freedom

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    Maybe not if Biden committed murder or bribery and Trump was perusing justice and asked a foreign leader to investigate it. But if Trump dangled the US taxpayers money as an incentive, that would still be a crime. I think we need to go to the tape or transcript that one of our guys reported as being troubling in this regard. Don’t you? I certainly don’t think that handing over the transcript to congressional intel oversight committees would jeopardize national security. All of those in these committees have top security clearance.
     
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    “Trump deals fairly with people”.....ROFL......That’s Priceless!!!! Go down to Atlantic City some day and say that.....you might get to do a couple sets on the stage at the comedy store...or get the crap beaten out of you by one of the thousands of investors, contractors or former employees he screwed over...lol
     
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    I personally don’t have anything against someone else looking into the transcripts. Remember - Ukrainian foreign minister said this whole thing is a nothingburger. If they were pissed off they didn’t have to say anything. Since they defend trump it’s obvious that they didn’t feel upset over anything.
    This leads me to believe that whatever Trump did was benign. If anything, it’s possible that Trump just embarrassed himself like he did with Greenland fiasco.
     
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    Nothing compares to how Trump is screwing over America for his own gain
     
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    Well, he honed his skills down there on The Boardwalk, that’s for sure.
     
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    Either that or they are defending Trump because they want the friggin’ money....Just saying...
     
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    But NOT the same Ukrainian story Tramp and the Right tells.
     
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    That is just not true!
    At the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.
     
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    Pure conspiracy theory fantasy contradicted by the facts, not that facts ever mean anything to the Right.
     
  21. ArmySoldier

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    Lol I couldn't help but laugh at this statement. Do you need to see how the left distorts facts or are you just a radical?
     
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    As you well know, Biden committed no "real" crime whatsoever, except the fabricated crime in your phony conspiracy theory..
     
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    Show me, if you can.
     
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  24. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh gosh, really? Do you want the last Dem President lies, dems Congressional lies, or Senate? I'm not trying to write a book here. Which lies are you interested in seeing.
     
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    Well since you posted no lies, you have no lies to post! Why don't you post Tramp lies first to show how honest you are!
     

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