How can homosexuality not be a perversion?

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  1. yguy

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    The premise being erroneous...
    ...the question is moot.
    Maybe so, by some definition of the term which is inimical to America's founding principles.
    No, you're father away from it.
    There's no way for an outsider to know that.
    It makes every bit as much sense to say drug addiction is a consequence of free will, when it is obviously the surrender of free will.
    If a kid gets raped in a town 100 miles away and you never hear about it, how does that affect your life?
    While we're at it, let's hope dogs start dropping 24 karat loads.
    No...
    ...it's perverted because you're not married.
    We have only your word for that.
    Why would it be different if your fiance were your daughter?
    Same reason I would if you were banging your daughter: that's what it is.
    If calling a spade a spade inspires hatred in some, it's not my problem.
    Dunno what country has a constitution that says that, but it sure as Hell isn't the US.
     
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    I dont rate people....or assign values. People make choices and we live in a free society. They make choices based on what they deem is best for them.

    But not all choices are equally beneficial for society. Society is best served by a definition of marriage being man and woman in a committed relationship.

    Society is not best served by encouraging same sex marriage, marriage between 2 men and one women, or encouraging a man and woman living together in an uncommitted relationship. Society doesn't benefit by encouraging family units that consist of single mothers and children.

    It's pure commonsense to know that children are crucial to our future...and prioritizing the best scenario for them should be the focus when society rates what arrangement is worthy enough to stand apart as most valued.

    People can choose whatever partner they like providing said partner is of age. And choosing a homosexual relationship might be fine for them but it is not and never will be equal to the importance held by the heterosexual relationship.
     
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    Of course, not NOW! I'm talking about earlier in history before contraception.
     
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    What I'm saying is that it wouldn't have been possible to get the pleasure without the baby under the right biological circumstances. And it would be hard to say that the pleasure is the more significant outcome.
     
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    True enough, but consequence and purpose are separate, which is what we are pointing out. You can have sex for the purpose of procreation. You can have sex for the purpose of pleasure. You can have sex for the purpose of both. You can even have sex for the purpose of commerce. Claiming that there is only one purpose for sex or only one primary is false.
     
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    Opinion not fact.
     
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    The world isn't a rerun of Ozzie and Harriet or a 1950 sit-com. Not all male-female households are healthy and many well adjusted kids come from broken homes. The box isn't perfect, so the real world tells us to make the best of what we have - and what we have is whole range of lifestyles and household types. Judge each individually, don't let preconceived prejudice make the call for you.

    I'd rather see a kid in a supportive gay household than some of the dysfunctional, alcoholic, drug addled world of some heterosexual couples out there. Being heterosexual doesn't mean you're automatically a good parent - sorry to burst your bubble.
     
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    Joke.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    O'm sorry too, because I vote Libertarian and I am a donor to this board. So I have as much or more standing than you as it relates to board decorum.

    Speaking of which, I am a current donor as well as a past donor though my avatar for some reason doesn't reflect it. Just fyi.
     
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  11. Le Chef

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    Wrong.
     
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    The greatest perversity is materialism.
     
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    There has ALWAYS been contraception. There is no earlier history vs. today when it comes to that subject.
     
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    Pure and total rubbish.
     
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    Reproduction is very important to society at large and particularly important for certain individuals and their families. So you may disagree, but it isn't "pure and total rubbish."
    Homosexual couples can't reproduce.
     
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    Can you elaborate? I'll listen, and could be convinced. Start with what you mean by materialism.
     
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    How will gay marriage affect the population?Maybe that is gods way of controlling the population LOL
     
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    So what if they can’t reproduce? Are we having a population deficit?Maybe we should ban all the people from marrying or maybe we should just ban anyone who doesn’t plan to reproduce from marriage. By the way gay women can reproduce the same way many straight women reproduce with a little help
     
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    I suppose if gay marriage was 100% that would solve the problem of humanity eh?

    Distorting marriage into something useless and destructive is the actual issue.
     
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    Phew...the 1950s is back huh?
     
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    Moronic response on your part. An all or nothing attitude is destructive. I’ve been married to the same woman for 28 years, and gay marriage has had exactly zero impact on that marriage. 2 relatives married last year, gay marriage had zero impact on their marriage. Obsessing about less than one percent of entire population entering into gay Marriage makes zero sense and holds not the slightest threat to heterosexual relations - except in the minds of the sexually repressed.
     
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    Exactly how is two consenting adults getting married destructive? If you can name one way in which same sex marriage is destructive, which is provable as fact using the scientific method, I will agree with you.

    So this means no opinion peices from far right hate groups like the Family Research Council, or other BS, fake "studies". It has to be from an unbiased source, and it has to show it's work.

    Oh and "the bible says it's wrong" isn't a legitmate answer.
     
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    You think a mother and father in the home raising their children is old fashioned or out dated? How sad and ignorant.
    Anybody working with kids that have problems with behavior, drugs and unplanned pregnancy realize pretty quick that kids raised in a non-1950s ideal of a mom and dad in the home are the ones at risk.
    https://www.fatherhood.org/father-a...f6c53493|7168b8ab-aeba-4e14-bb34-c9fc0740b46e
     
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    You do realize that most of the drug users in the 1960's were from what you call "normal" families right?

    And i bet you can't name from legitimate study from a non-biased source that backs any of the BS that the right right claims about same sex couples being unable tp raise children properly. The only sources the far right ever use are fake "studies" paid for by anti-gay hate groups like tthe Family "Research" Council, who more than once has been caught paying corrupt doctors and psychologists to write false reports supporting whatever they want the report to say.
     
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    One can disapprove of gay marriage by not marrying one of the same sex. That's a very good protest and will work very well for the protester.
    For those who are gay and want to marry one of same sex, they should be able to do so.

    Both types of people express their beliefs without stepping on rights of the other.
     
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