America Was Built on The Backs of Black People

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  1. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

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    Lol, y'all took that troll bait hook line and sinker. Smdh
     
  2. Soupnazi

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    Excuse them ? No

    They are implicit in A crime but not other crimes. They are responsible for what they did not for what others did.

    For example they did not do what the pimps might be doing.

    Or to take another example the case of David Silverman. He cheated on his wife and admits to it. He takes responsiblity and accepts the consequences of his infidelity. However like Kavanuagh and many others he was falsely accused of rape. This he did not deserve and being guilty of one thing does not make him guilty of another. He damged his own life and accepts responsibility but then the rest of his life was destroyed by malicious false charges.

    Yes it matters to any intelligent person.
     
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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No it's not. When I went to school we were taught that the Atlantic Slave Trade had two main causes, the need for labor in the colonies and the surplus of slaves produced by the chronic wars of the Bantu tribes great migration into Central and SW Central Africa. Eventually, the AST took over the whole thing as the demand for slaves in Arabia fell off quite a bit, (though it never really stopped and continues to this day). As this happened the whites who had been buying slaves at the Coastal ports noted that their supply was drying up due to the Bantu migration ceasing. Since their demand for slaves continued unabated they decided to finally brave the interior diseases themselves and turned on their former suppliers and other tribes who had never enslaved anyone.

    At least that was the curriculum at the school I went to. (AST slavers were mainly British Protestants in the latter eras and the Nuns never missed a chance to dig at the denizens of the Great Revolt.:D)
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Who are you talking about? I found this guy but he doesn't quite match your description
     
  5. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Am agtheist who was famous in atheist circles. One of many attacked and ruined by false accusations from feminists and their #metoo witch hunt.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I see nothing in the article about this guy having a divorce and there is nothing in the first woman's complaint that indicates it's being untrue. The second one is more doubtful because of the intoxication but it's still a credible corroboration that this guy did this kind of thing. I doubt this atheist group has terribly deep pockets so I don't see any monetary motivation for these women to bring these charges if they aren't true. Are you one of those conservatives who still just dismiss all women's accusations of rape as false out of hand?
     
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    No it is not credible at all.

    None of the rape or sexual assault allegatrions have any merit or credibility.

    No I am one of those people who believe in the principle of presumption of innocence. False accusations of rape are as bad and as damaging as rape, and probably just as common. The efforts in recent years from feminists has been to move accusations out of the courts where they can be tried without those pesky constitutional protections for the accused.

    Such as Obama'as dear colleague letter which cooerced universities to set up indendant tribunals to investigate and punish allegations. No court no attorneys no right to face ones accuser and any accusation is evidence of itself and therefore grounds to punish someone who has been absolutely stripped of any ability to defend themselves.

    There are no such conservatives who dismiss all allegations out of hand. To the contrary it is feminists and trheir allies who wish to accept all allegations without challenge and destroy any man with the point of a finger.
     
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    Several ways to look at this. One, as pointed out to me when two black friends discussed slavery, went like this-

    Two brothers in the Congo in 1700's. One is captured by Dutch slavers, and ends up on a plantation in America. The other evades capture.

    Today, the descendants of the slave live in America, they have homes, cars, jobs, businesses, education and stable lives, and incomes in the range or $40K and up.
    The descendants of the brother who was not captured live in huts lacking running water or toilets, have no vehicles, little education and live in an unstable state where they make an average of $2k a year.

    As one of my black friends ( a maintenance supervisor) told the other (an architect) "if it were not for slavery bringing your ancestors here- you might be running through the jungle right now with a bone in your nose and a sharp stick in your hand, looking for supper".

    Even the worst of events can change the course of lives and bring better times.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    These cases are not just accusations, they are accusations without a credible motive if they're not true, such as money, and they corroborate each other. On what basis do you dismiss at least the first one; except the well-known conservative myth that all women are evil jezebels out to entrap and ruin "innocent" men for no reason in their "witch hunt"?
     
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    They are just accusations.

    An accusation is Just an accusation until reasonable proven.. There are many many motives for people to lie and make false accusations. Not just money.

    Sometimes there is no motive at all.

    https://7news.com.au/news/court-jus...uFQhSlCPkSsH_ycol21DbDJgmGbyQyQpDeAsycj8-n4vM

    This is WHY have legal standards such as presumption of innocence.

    None of these accusations were corroborated sorry.

    There is no such known or well known conservative myth. I challenge you to cite anyone who has made such a claim.
     
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    Possibly the first black slave owner.

    Anthony Johnson (b. c. 1600 – d. 1670) was a black Angolan known for achieving freedom and wealth in the early 17th-century Colony of Virginia. He was one of the first African American property owners and had his right to legally own a slave recognized by the Virginia courts. Held as an indentured servant in 1621, he earned his freedom after several years, and was granted land by the colony.

    He later became a successful tobacco farmer in Maryland. He attained great wealth after completing his term as an indentured servant, and has been referred to as "'the black patriarch' of the first community of Negro property owners in America"

    With his own indentured servants, Johnson ran his own tobacco farm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)
     
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    Yeah, and slavery was abolished close to 150 years ago!!!!!:angered: Can we please stop beating this dead horse people!!!:deadhorse:I am so sick of people like you saying things like this today and then come to the illogical conclusion that somehow this still applies to us today. No black person who lives in the United States, that is currently alive, has every been a legal slave. GET OVER IT!!!!! If we can't move on from these petty arguments then we will never get anything done ever!!!!:frustrated:
     
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    They could have said no and put them to death like before the slave trade.
     
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    Gosh, your moral outrage is duly noted. But did it ever occur to you to read a book? I mean, if you had, you'd have discovered that your traumatic hyperbole is quite mistaken, and likely not remotely accurate. But then, when do we ever expect facts to trump over feelings?
     
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    Doesn't work I don't feel shame. Nobody living today should. Nobody alive today is responsible for it.

    This kind of statements have no value except to signal your virtue.
     
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    The slaves got a raw deal

    But the descendants of slaves in America today are the luckiest black people on the planet
     
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    With the slave trade it wasn't just these bands people that would run into Africa and catch wild people. Most of the slaves purchased from Africa we're already owned in Africa.

    When tribes go to war in Africa the one that loses is enslaved to the one that wins this was always a temporary arrangement. When westerners came with liquor and spices the value that liquor and spice over the servitude of their captured slaves so they sold them.
     
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    Including Anthony Johnson that black dude who went to the courts to make slavery legal in Colonial America.

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    Slavery is more prevelant in Africa than anywhere in the world right now.

    1. Why isn't Africa rich with infrastructure built on the backs of their slaves?

    2. Why are Africans trying so hard to reach the US if Americans are taking advantage of them?
     
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    Good.
    You weren't alive. Get a life
     
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    I am not a SJW. I don't like the SJWs or the Alt Right.

    What I am saying is that America should understand that slavery is a major, major issue.
     
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    All the slaves and slave owners are dead.
    Anyone who owns a slave today is breaking the law.
    So, how is this an issue again?
     
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    155 years ago
     
  25. Creasy Tvedt

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    Nah, the Arab slave trade was more brutal than the Atlantic slave trade, it involved more blacks slaves, it lasted far longer than the Atlantic slave trade(13 centuries Vs 3), and it persisted longer into modern history(Arab slave trade lasted into the 19th century)

    Crack open a history book, my dude.

    Oh, and the Mongol invasion conquests made the Atlantic slave trade look like a picnic.
     
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