Whistleblower is CIA agent

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  1. FreshAir

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    pretty good run down of complaint vs the transcript

     
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    Lefties love democracy until they don't get their way. Then they file lawsuit after lawsuit until they finally get their way. That's what really burns them about Trump, knowing he's not going to appoint Libs to the SCOTUS which will set the Lefty agenda back for years to come.
     
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    How is
    How is it Democracy when the majority does not rule?
     
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    i was really hoping ti was Spence. It might still be.
     
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    The president is the only one not elected by a direct majority (AFAIK). There have been plenty of laws passed with the approval of the majority that have been opposed by the Left who then went to the courts to get their way.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, we're impeaching Trump because he's proven himself no longer fit to be President, if he ever was in the first place. Putting Pence in his place is really no better from a political viewpoint and is probably worse, but justice has its demands.

    If you ever owned a business you must have been uncommonly easy to work for but I wonder how you stayed in business. You apparently don't believe in firing anybody, no matter how many illegal things they do or how much they steal from you.
     
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    Why do you conservatives so steadfastly REFUSE to answer direct questions?

    Trump was elected by the Electoral College NOT the people. It was perfectly legal and Constitutional, no question, but there was NOTHING democratic about it.
     
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    You asked
    as your reply to my post about Lefties only liking democracy when they win. It was not strictly about the election of the president, in fact it had nothing to do with that election since it isn't a direct popular vote. My post was about such things as when CA passed proposition 8 banning same sex marriage. Lefties then ignored the will of the people and took it to court and had it overturned by the SCOTUS. From past practices, it is a sure thing that if the presidential election is changed to a popular vote and a RW person got elected, the Left would then cry to have the electoral college back.
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/06/when-the-left-defended-the-electoral-college/
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...n-liberal-opposition-to-electoral-college-not
     
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    "Kiriakou, in particular, is accused of giving information about the CIA's torture programs to reporters two years ago. Like the other five whistleblowers, he has been charged under the draconian World War I-era Espionage Act."

    they are not whistleblowers unless they follow the process, leaking does not make one a whistleblower



    Trump did the same to those that leaked and talked about the death penalty for real whistleblowers
     
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    Kiriakou "followed the process" and was prosecuted and imprisoned. So have many others.

    Following The Process is the method to keep the criminal behavior secret.

    Ellsberg, Manning, Snowden and other effective whistleblowers DID NOT follow the process because they knew it was a trick.

    Following The Process assures the status quo.
     
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    Trump supporters knew they were electing a corrupt and unethical candidate. They shouldn't complain now that the law is catching up to his malfeasance.
     
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    "Deep State".....more nonsensical drivel from the paranoia of far right. It would be amusing if it were not for the fact that you vote.
     
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    I'm off in my little world but your president is under impeachment investigation for trying to bribe foreign leaders for political favours by withholding American military aid? And 55% of Americans support this impeachment investigation.

    That's about it right?

    No, democracy will not be restored when Trump is removed. What comes after could be even more dangerous. Democracy will be restored when American realize how fragile it is and demand that their democratic rights be recognized by a political establishment beholden and corrupted by corporate and military establishment payola.

    Even if that means taking to the streets again as they did many times in the past to demand politicians recognize the rights of workers and common people.
     
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    Who's Spence?
     
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    Pence, Sorry
     
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    Actually this is about it...

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    Since you don't recognize our current constitution system, electoral college and all, as democratic, I assume that when you talk about taking to the streets to overthrow that you are in favor of some sort of insurrection or revolution?
     
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    Actually there is a lot of evidence against Trump. Many times on this forum I have posted detailed investigative reports of Trump's dealing with Russian oligarchs and gangsters including the Russian investment in Trump real estate like Trump Soho and it's financial dealings with Bayrock Group, a shady Trump company for funneling foreign cash into America and Felix Sater who was a conduit for vast sums of Russian money into Trump businesses when no one else would lend him money due to his history of bankruptcies. I have shown how that money came from Russian and even Khazak oligarchs and mobsters trying to launder money through New York real estate.

    I have posted detailed information on Trump's history of scamming investors and stiffing contractors while entertaining Russian capital from sources like Pulitzer Prize winning journalist David Cay Johnson who has documented Trump's criminality in detail.

    I'm not going to repost any of this at this time as Trumpers typically don't like to read things and deny everything anyway so it would be a waste of time. But the evidence is all there.

    And that is not even counting the documented evidence of obstruction in the Mueller report which Trumpers, led by Trump's acolytic AG Barr, are so quick to try and convince others is not there.

    So, trying to pull of a "where there is smoke there is fire" about Biden when there is absolutely no evidence of wrong-doing that you can provide while conveniently ignoring the fact that the White House is burning to the ground and circling the wagons to try and save itself, is not just a transparent deflection but completely ingenuous.

    I get it though that you have to try something to deflect away. It has worked in the past. I don't think Trump will get away with it this time though.

    I think a certain percentage of Americans, perhaps 25 or 30%, who have a vested interest in Trump will never admit the truth to themselves and by this kind of obfuscation try to hold up the illusion that this man is not a criminal and is somehow worthy of being president despite all the evidence.
     
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    Pictures of right wing memes don't mean anything except to amuse yourself. If you got some pleasure posting, knock yourself out. Meaningless in terms of discussion.




    Why do you think I don't recognize your current constitutional system? No I don't like the electoral college but I don't like the gerrymandering and voter suppression either......all of which I suppose you deny is happening? Electoral college is archaic and needs to be updated through constitutional means.

    Wrong, I am talking about taking to the streets in peaceful demonstration to show politicians you mean business and to take back the political process in America which is currently in crisis and under dire threat.
     
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    Our representative republic was in deep trouble when drug soaked hippies took over the education system
     
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    We don need no stinkin evidence! Just feewings.
     
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    Your representative republic was in deep trouble when neoconservatives and Neo-liberals managed, thorough well-funded right wing think tanks, to convince a segment of the population that destroying liberal institutions and new-deal policies that had brought so much prosperity to the American people for austerity and constant war was a good idea.
     
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    “My” republic?

    Meaning its not your republic too?
     
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    We have more than enough concrete evidence on Trump. The ONLY reason Trump is not in jail and awaiting trial on 10 counts of obstructing justice is because you cannot indict a sitting President. Mueller has said this emphatically and the Mueller Report makes that abundantly clear. You conservatives are right in saying that he remains innocent until proven guilty in a trial but that status does not exonerate him anymore than we let go a person who was observed shooting a cop and who is now awaiting trial
     
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    So far. You and your sort have been doing your best to take it away from everyone but yourselves
     
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    You are mistaken

    But thats not unusual for a lefty
     
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