Rudy Giuliani denies asking Ukraine to investigate Biden -- before admitting it

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    You appear to imply that I need to go back in time and refute the claims at the time they were being made.

    Multiple independent organizations, including multiple Ukrainian investigators and US investigators, found zero evidence of wrongdoing by any of the Bidens.
     
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    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.

    According to you, Democrat nepotism is good, Republican nepotism is bad.

    Having a relative appointed to the board of a company in that situation bespeaks misdeeds and wrong-doing, no different than Secretary of State Albright and General Wesley Clark gaining control of companies in country they bombed.
     
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    It might "bespeak misdeeds and wrongdoing," but multiple investigators - both domestic and international- have found zero evidence of wrongdoing.
     
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    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Enlighten us and explain Hunter Biden's qualifications for being on the board of foreign natural gas company.
     
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    Who was it that invited Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

    https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8130977/netanyahu-speech-explained

    "The Obama administration sees Netanyahu and Republicans as working to undermine not just Obama's efforts to strike a nuclear deal with Iran, but his presidential authority over foreign policy. Democrats are angry at the perceived insult to the president. The effect has been to politically polarize an issue that has long been bipartisan in Washington: support for Israel."
     
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    Why are you a better judge of his qualifications than the company willing to pay him to sit on their board?
     
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    What are his qualifications? Once you define those, doing a little simple logical deduction should bring you to a very obvious conclusion.

    He isn’t qualified at all, so his job has obvious strings.
     
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    Why are you a better judge of his qualifications than the company who was willing to pay him?
     
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    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Why do you repeatedly dodge the question?

    They "company willing to pay him to sit on their board" may have been coerced into putting him on their board.

    That's the whole point.
     
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    My favorite part is when he says it is a ridiculous accusation . . . which is also entirely true.
     
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    Does the same go for Trump's kiddos?
     
  12. MrTLegal

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    They may have, but I have zero reason to accept your opinion on that matter in the fact of a company who is the one making the financial decision and who has been investigated specifically because of allegations like yours and those investigations found zero evidence of wromgdoing.
     
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    Trumps kids worked for his business their whole lives. None of them are dummies. Obvious recipients of nepotism but they’ve worked in a family business. Biden doesn’t have businesses. He hasn’t built anything. He’s lived off the back of tax payers his whole life. All he’s got is govt strings he pulls and lots of people who owe him favors. His son hasn't accomplished a thing.

    Not really comparable.
     
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    Giuliani did his own investigation, so this is entirely misleading.

    The money trail has been well documented so, "probable cause," exists. And this happened well before Biden announced his run in 2020.

    If it didn't, Trump would be on the fence, but it does indicate corruption so no election impact can be claimed. It isn't just a conflict of interest. It involved a Quid Pro Quo on Biden's part.

    Trump was completely legal in asking for the Ukraine to look into that and the Crowdstrike corruption as well.
     
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    You still haven't answered the question.

    Would Burismo have hired Hunter Biden if the US had not overthrown the Ukrainian government and Joe Biden not visited Ukraine?

    Nope.
     
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    You answered your question based on zero evidence or justification.

    Here's my answer to whether that company would have hired Hunter Biden, but for his father's identity and position?

    "Maybe."
     
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    You still haven't answered the question.

    You apparently cannot even come up with one redeeming quality that would lead to Hunter Biden being placed on the board of a foreign corporation.
     
  18. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    That was not your question.

    But if you want it to be your new question, Hunter Biden has an extensive knowledge and experience with the types of decisions and international diplomatic decisions that are valuable to the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company.
     

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