Electric Cars

You won't own the charging station anymore than you own the parking space in front of your house on a public road! That is what the meters are for. ANYONE can plug their vehicle in and swipe their credit card and it will be charged at whatever maximum rate you want to pay for. How far away do the 10 people live who come by for an Xmas meal? Unless they ALL live beyond their vehicle range why is that going to be a problem? Your own vehicle will be fully charged before they arrive so there will be at least one charging station you can let them use.

Using asinine one-off scenarios exposes desperation. The vast majority of people commute short distances and have access to parking places where charging stations can be installed.

 

So the electric comes out of your house to the socket in the kerb and you're parked 200 yards round the corner?

Ok, dig up all the prevents and kerbs, who do you expect to pay for that? Triple the price of electric?

 

Well, my brother would travel from London and another from Edinburgh to the borders.

Then if it hit's minus 13 again, how far will you get with the heating on?

So each house needs a charging station, or possibly one with two sockets per house. Where do these sit? Can you open your car door? Have a skip outside, you're down a charging station. Who pays for the charging station? The money tree in the garden?

Have you costed out a street? Can all streets have them?

 

Oh good grief!

What part of having a metered outlet on the kerb on a PUBLIC ROAD do you not understand?

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5563491A/en

https://www.epd.gov.hk/epd/sites/de...olutions/files/guidelines_on_enabling_eng.pdf

 

Now you are just being ridiculous!

The street you used for an EXAMPLE was a PUBLIC STREET which means that whatever local authority is responsible for it would install metered charging stations because they would be responsible for supplying the electricity and collecting the revenues to pay for it from the meters.

If you can park a car on a street you can install a metered charging station on it as well.

This is NOT rocket science!

 

I have shown you a street in a large city where they have thousands of those type of streets and even tighter streets. IT IS practically impossible to have charging stations in those streets. It's bad enough driving along them and parking without have charging points.

People get skips all the time, I've even seen roll on roll skips. If you believe every street is going to have sufficient charging stations, you haven't thought it through. Vehicles are different lengths, you cannot expect people to park in "designated" bays. Vehicles will end up parked across meters and in those streets, tight up against them. As I said, can you then open your car door or does the passenger climb over the handbrake?

In those streets, people often drive into a parking gap by driving the front wheel over the pavement, you can't reverse park in half the time because of vehicles on the opposite side of the street. So where do you site the metres.

You might think I'm being arsey, I'm just being realistic.

 

Since you insist upon using asinine anecdotes there is no point in wasting any more of my time.

https://www.ft.com/content/57d2d7dc-a725-11e9-984c-fac8325aaa04

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/09/20190912-uk.html

The above links demonstrate that this is happening in the UK regardless of the inane objections in your posts.

 

No $hit. But they’re mostly doing it with tax credits. And those who are buying them outright will have to wait decades to get their money back from what they provide.

If they were cheap and produced the power you think/hope, then utility companies would use them and sell the power to consumers at a mark up. What is it about the most basics of business and economics that you boys/girls/confused ones don’t understand?

 

Driver Returns On Foot (backwards) is my favorite. Despite Ford making the best pickup trucks in the world, I think that one is hilarious.

 

No, I'm being realistic, I am telling you how those streets works. I have work colleagues that live in such streets.

Being practical, where in those streets would you place charging points? Up against the houses and have leads across the pavement? Where the kerbs are? Do you expect them not to get damaged, not to be in the way?

There's a world of difference between what you envisage and reality, same with alarmists and governments.

Those links will not get those types of streets working, no matter how much fairy dust they think they'll need.

 

@Derideo_Te tap into Bing "Electric vehicle charge points" and click images. Where would you put them in the street I posted, and where would you put them in tighter streets?

I'm simply highlighting where a lot a people actually live.

 

No idea what disinformation site is providing you with that outdated drivel but current payback is in the 4 to 6 year range with significant ongoing savings thereafter.

 

Try doing some more research for yourself.

There are charging stations where you just park and they will charge your vehicle without even needing to plug anything it at all.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/21/...g-electric-taxis-car-zero-emissions-induction

https://www.techradar.com/news/wireless-electric-vehicle-charging

These SOLUTIONS already EXIST and WORK and are being IMPLEMENTED worldwide.

Just as you refused to believe that there was an electric vehicle capable of towing you are now discovering that charging stations can be made to work in all kinds of innovative ways.

 

Ok, the types of street are not sinking in. The parking issues, lengths of vehicles etc.. is not sinking in either.

Think I'll just park in a nice wide street or taxi rank. Everyone will just have to make sure their type of job suits.

 

What is not "sinking in" is that there are a wide range of SOLUTIONS that can be used to ensure that there is metered charging available wherever there is a place to park a vehicle on a public street.

But that is NOT my problem.

 

It's not sinking in because you're thinking of solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. Electric vehicles are simply one of those things that people aren't interested in, which is why we have gas stations. When the technology develops to where it's stupid to drive a gasoline powered car, then people will buy whatever isn't stupid. Gas stations will be replaced with the alternative, and life moves on.

 

You need to rewind back and start at the beginning of my posts. As I've said, the technology doesn't exist to allow electric vehicles to satisfy the exciting dreams of the alarmists and umpteen decades for the infrastructure are needed. The current ideas will not work.

They even dreamed of electric bikes and charging systems. Most have been scrapped. Time scales of 2025 or 2040 etc.. are just pie in the sky.

It's not affordable.

 

Who needs gas stations when you have an electric vehicle?

Every time you leave home you always have a full tank.

Manufacturers KNOW that people WANT electric vehicles and that is why there will be more and more of them available.

 

Not interested in wasting any more time on naysayers who would still be walking everywhere if they had their way.

 

Marketability depends on many factors including the customers usage of the car. I believe range is in the 300 mile area. Well, that's nice but don't plan on making trips to the Snake River country since there probably aren't a lot of charge stations. there. Which bring us to the problem of supporting infrastructure. Then there is the matter of battery replacement - wow! $7,000-12,000.

Good product design depends on a lot more than price-performance-loveliness. Service, supporting infrastructure, reliability, price point, technical limitations, safety, even eventual disposal. Based on this, electric cars are 9 on the nice scale but 4 on the practical scale. I like them, but the technology and supporting infrastructure have a way to go. We'll get there.

 

Battery repair and/or replacement costs are dropping already and there is something else that no one is considering and that is that they are cheaper to maintain overall because of fewer moving parts. Even brake pads last longer because of regenerative braking.

About the only part that still needs to be addressed is long distance range. Tesla can already recharge to 80% in the time it takes to stop for lunch so that means you can do 500 miles in a day which is probably the limit that most people want to do anyway.

 

Once we get batteries that can charge in 15 minutes or so, and the price goes down, electric will take over hybrids. Hybrids are simply too complex. They have both a full ICE and electric motors.

 

No. Electric vehicles are the way forward. It's the timescales that are ridiculous. Have charging stations where possible until technology advancements allows the total ditching of diesel.

 

Still more inane naysaying!

 

It's called, "Realistic".

Ok, get me a van that can tow a mini digger with a budget of £10,000 (that includes vat).

Needs to be Vauxhall Movano L2H2 size, or L3H2