To be or not to be... child-free

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Canell, Oct 12, 2019.

?

Would you be child-free to save the planet?

  1. I already have children, so no

    18 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. I have children but I wish I didn't

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. No, this is all liberal nonsense!

    12 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Yes, I would rater become child-free

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. I have definitely decided to be child-free

    9 vote(s)
    18.8%
  6. I'll do better than that - I'll commit suicide to save the resources of Mother Earth

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Other

    7 vote(s)
    14.6%
  8. Can't make up my mind

    2 vote(s)
    4.2%
  1. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2011
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Howdy

    So, to be or not to be... child-free - that is the question.
    Why? Why no?

    :love:
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  2. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, I think it's totally stupid to get child free when you worry about the planet. Having children you educate with love is the best way to pass your morale values.
    I think that people who want 0 children are kind of morbid. Not wanting children is breaking the continuity of life and so chosing death.
    BTW, it's better to have a reasonnable number of children.
    Not having children is just the "lazy" situation.
     
    pitbull, scarlet witch and Injeun like this.
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never had any nor missed them either, It might be nice to have had the grandkids over for Christmas, but then again I don't have to go bail them out either. Six of one....

    It used to be you had kids to take care of you when you got old. Nowadays we have retirement plans
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2019
    Pardon_Me, Blaster3 and FoxHastings like this.
  4. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2011
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    1,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The pension system won't last forever, you know.
    But thank for the input anyway, much appreciated to hear from a child-free person. ;)
     
  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,292
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Other.

    Support Suicide. :rant:
    What better way to demonstrate your support for saving our Earth
    from the ravages of over population.


    Suicide may be personal or more social like a party to say good bye to friends.
    Of course group suicide is out there.
    Young people should do their part too.


    Moi :oldman:




     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2019
    Collateral Damage and Blaster3 like this.
  6. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113

    :) Ya don't need much of a pension plan because you've saved 100 of thousands of dollars by NOT having kids :) :)
     
    Derideo_Te and Blaster3 like this.
  7. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    13,830
    Likes Received:
    3,054
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm child free. Since I was a kid, I thought there were too many people in the world, and my genetic contributions wouldn't be missed because my extended family was (and still is) very large. And, now I'm too poor to have kids.
     
    FoxHastings likes this.
  8. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's a totally free and personal choice. With your spouse. Nobody else gets any input. You decide.
     
  9. Capt Nice

    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    9,998
    Likes Received:
    10,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    D.I.N.K. here
     
  10. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,701
    Likes Received:
    21,100
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Its not liberal nonsense, its a neofeuadalist agenda. Theres too many people to control. Resource scarcity is being manufactured by the elite controllers who run corporations and governments. They make laws to herd us into urban centers while buying up or confiscating resource-ladden real estate and fencing it off from our use. The bulk of the pollution comes from corporations and state operations while they lobby and legislate regulations that keep us from competing. Then they tell us its our fault, theres too many of us. Its a huge scam. They want us dumb and primitive like we were in the dark ages because they want their thrones back. If they put half the resources into making industry and energy efficient as they currently funnel into social control programs, they could end poverty and clean up the environment. They don't because its not about prosperity or the environment. Its all about control.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2019
    Blaster3 and gorfias like this.
  11. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Concerning retirement plans, having children with which you have good relationships remain the best solution as there would be likely other financial crisis in the next decades, retirement plans are absolutly dependant of that and I'm not sure your retirement plans will survive to those crisis.
    But having children only as a retirement plan is kind of a weak motivation to get children, they might be handicapped or just ungrateful.

    You're kind of old-school, you can have children outside marriage.
     
  12. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Are you saying people should depend on their kid's money?? LOL! Good luck with that.

    And , again, not having kids saves one lots of money.





    This is also weak motivation:


    ""Having children you educate with love is the best way to pass your morale values.
    I think that people who want 0 children are kind of morbid. Not wanting children is breaking the continuity of life and so chosing death"""



    "Old school" is thinking that people have an obligation to reproduce.
     
    Blaster3 likes this.
  13. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Does spouse still mean you have to be married to use the term? Few people these days say my shackup or my common law wife/husband.

    Your only obligation is to make your own decision. You decide. Regardless of others and what they think.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2019
    Blaster3 likes this.
  14. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Never heard of hyperinflation ? The value of money is relative, and in a heavy financial crisis, all your money can loose it own value. I don't says that people should depend on their children, I just say you can't count on retirement plan, neither on your children.

    I don't say that people have to reproduce. I just says why I don't think it's a good choice, and it's not about morality I couldn't care less. I just think that children can bring more happiness than drugs and parties.

    I would speak more of companion or partner otherwise. Furthermore, there is now people who have children with people they don't live and never lived with. There is even possibility of surrogacy pregnancy or ART.
     
  15. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yes, one cannot depend on the economy nor kids.....so whether you have them or not doesn't matter....except that having kids costs LOTS of money that could be saved for retirement.


    Then why did you post : ""Having children you educate with love is the best way to pass your morale values.""




    I agree but there are more choices than that. Just because one doesn't have children doesn't mean they are into "drugs and parties". :roll:
     
  16. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "I don't says that people should depend on their children, I just say you can't count on retirement plan, neither on your children."

    Life is risk and nothing else.
     
  17. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    12,820
    Likes Received:
    11,221
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I would be interested to speak with early twenties somethings to get their take on it. A large number are VERY concerned about the planet and wonder if they have a different take on having kids as a result.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  18. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Everybody makes their own decision. It's their personal business and nobody else's.
     
  19. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That played a big role in my not having children. It wasn't decisive but I was strongly learning that direction. In the end, we procrastinated until we didn't have the option. And we never really cared.
     
    Pardon_Me and FoxHastings like this.
  20. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why do you think your moral values are so important to humanity?

    The only justification you've given is arrogance. Do you only care about yourself? Why is a little you so important to anyone else?
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2019
  21. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because you think that money will globally keep its own value. I consider that it's likely that there will be in the future many economic crisis, you can loose either your money because of a bank getting into bankruptcy or simply because of the hyperinflation that could be caused by those crisis. I don't trust the economic system to stay table on the 60 next years, money isn't something with an absolute value. Money is just some paper on what we collectively decide there is some value, but cases where that collective decision stopped happend multiple times in history.

    If you want that ecology stay successfull, I think that raising children with ecological values is one of the best thing to do. I don't say that the fact to have no children is bad or good itself, but if you aim to favour ecology, then I consider it's a better thing to have a moderate number of children rather having 0 children.

    Yes BTW.
     
  22. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I never pretended that my values were that much important.

    Considering that we are worthy to live and breath is already arrogance.
     
  23. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, one cannot depend on the economy nor kids.....so whether you have them or not doesn't matter....except that having kids costs LOTS of money that could be saved for retirement.


    Do not tell me what I think especially when I never indicated that in the post of mine you quoted.



    Nothing to do with anything about having or not having kids.

    What has that got to do with my question : Then why did you post ""Having children you educate with love is the best way to pass your morale values."" ?

    Ecological values aren't moral values.

    Then why did you post : """"I just think that children can bring more happiness than drugs and parties.""" ?
     
  24. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I consider it as such.

    Hyperbolic way of speaking.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And more heartache than anyone should be expected to bear, and I don[t mean if they're evil necessarily. No one should have to bury a child, but many do. "He who loves gives hostages to fortune"

    I think getting married or having children shouldn't be a matter of choice. It should indicate that you can't live without them, or you shouldn't do either one.
     
    Blaster3 likes this.

Share This Page